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[PC] Shin Megami Tensei: Imagine Online
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Lacerta
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Old Dec 2, 2008, 10:22 PM Local time: Dec 2, 2008, 09:22 PM #1 of 66
It's kind of fun.

They just got finished with maintenance (and they still let you play during if you were logged on, even) to fix the major issue right off the bat where running the patcher could cause the game to corrupt and force you to re-install and have to just run the exe instead.

Combat so far is very simplistic, and I somehow don't see it getting any more complex, ever. If you're familiar with the creatures of the SMT universe you kind of have an idea of what attacks they will use and their strengths and weaknesses, so you can have the proper attack strategy ready when the need arrives. It also helps to have a good team (both in your partner and your party) so the weaknesses you have are covered. Would suck to go to an area where you have to kill x amount of (insert thing) where said thing just so happens to be Strong/Immune to or Reflect your main damage source.

I find it funny (since I decided to spec a Mage) that Guns and Swords give more +Spell than actual Rods. Although I find myself relying more on my Persona Devil Demon more than myself for casting spells.

Some random things of note I suppose:
  • Wounded Cerberus is a good Demon but I would not rely on him forever (especially since it's a Quest Demon so you can't even fuse him to something super)
  • Brave Garm is a Unique Demon given to you by Snakeman for talking to him after completing something (completing the Virtual Battle?), you could raise it and then fuse it to pass on some of its great skills or just use it (LV10 requirement). It merely starts off learning late, but gets the end skills much earlier than the other variations of Garm.
  • I hate Cait Siths.
  • Trying to get a Demon to join you can be so annoying. Talk -> "Hi!" -> Talk -> "Hi!" -> Talk -> "FUCK YOU GO AWAY" *SKULL SMASH*


Jam it back in, in the dark.

Last edited by Lacerta; Dec 2, 2008 at 10:27 PM.
Lacerta
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Old Dec 3, 2008, 02:43 AM Local time: Dec 3, 2008, 01:43 AM #2 of 66
Expertise -> Talk

Higher Ranks // Class in Talk increases the Negotiation Rate.

Of course, it's also annoying as heck to get something unless you're just that damn lucky.

There's nowhere I can't reach.
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Old Dec 3, 2008, 07:20 AM Local time: Dec 3, 2008, 06:20 AM #3 of 66


I'm content (although curious as to why she's suddenly weak to Fire, although being resistant to all the other elements makes up for it).

Not the ultimate newbie partner, but is okay for random Bufula.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Dec 3, 2008, 11:33 PM Local time: Dec 3, 2008, 10:33 PM #4 of 66
I've been looking at the tree for the various magics I decided to attempt to pick up. It seems like picking up Curative really is a waste, at least to go all out in it, since the demons really can do it much better. Most likely will just stop at Media or so because area heal is nice.

Seems like Destruction Magic kind of forces you to either split your path or make one side really strong. It's not too bad when you can eventually make it so the demon you use can make up for what you don't grab, but they would not be able to do it as good as you.

The obvious differences between the elements:
  • Flame is the strongest (out of the four elements you have access to that is, Megido still laughs at it)
  • Freeze has the longest cooldown and whatnot but longest range and lowest MP cost
  • Electric is just Electric lololol
  • Force is the quickest but has shortest range and greatest MP cost

Freeze -- Flame -- Electric -- Force -- (Enemy here) in terms of range.

The split is between Flame and Freeze, and Electric and Force. Although it just lets you cast a lower version of the spell twice in succession while increasing the cost (aka when you are at the Agilao and Bufula range, you can cast Agi or Bufu twice in a row) so it might not be that big of a change unless you're having a hard time deciding on the area versions.

Support and Curse appear useless unless you are going to Chain-Expertise a Gun type >_>

I'll still pick up some random buff anyway since the Demon can't do it all.

How ya doing, buddy?
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Old Dec 4, 2008, 04:32 PM Local time: Dec 4, 2008, 03:32 PM #5 of 66
Current Status~

Disconnecting too much to really advance past the end of episode 1.

Just building up funds so I can upgrade to the best possible armor from Shinjuku Babel and move onward.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Dec 4, 2008, 05:36 PM Local time: Dec 4, 2008, 04:36 PM #6 of 66
Damn, Lace.

1. I knew I saw you when I had to collect those Soul Shards. I figured it was you.
2. Garms are awesome.
3. I have some catching up to do.
Yeah when I saw that fellow walk by I told Taco and Karistar "That seems like someone from GFF"

Garms are okay, Brave Garm is awesome since at 25 he gets the area version of Tarukaja, so PATK+ for everyone~

I finally figured out how to raise Curse and Support magic and I feel like an idiot for not noticing it sooner.

Wishing the DC didn't have to have one entry but tabs for all the variations.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?
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Old Dec 4, 2008, 10:14 PM Local time: Dec 4, 2008, 09:14 PM #7 of 66
That's basically all you need to do to contract demons. Talk to them until it works. Weakening them helps occasionally as well.
Any form of damage actually lowers the chance of negotiations working. This is not Pokeymans.

There are upgrades to Talk later on that skip all the fluff and go straight to one of the 5 end results, but they cost something (like 1000 Macca, or 1000 Magnetite).

FELIPE NO
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Old Dec 4, 2008, 11:28 PM Local time: Dec 4, 2008, 10:28 PM #8 of 66
They took down the servers because the GM team has been pulling an allnighter to try to figure out what is going on.

They think they have it down now so they put their engineers to work on it.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?
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Old Dec 5, 2008, 09:59 AM Local time: Dec 5, 2008, 08:59 AM #9 of 66
I am working on a project to make the ultimate Jack Frost.

Well it probably won't be the ultimate since this is a Beta so I do not feel like getting all the ultimate skills knowing a wipe will eventually roll our way but anyway I'm trying to see what I can and cannot pass on.

Hoping my Jack Frost will Inherit:
  • Hama
  • Agi
  • Zionga
  • Dormina
  • Media
  • Fierce Counter (Does it learn this? I dunno!)

Sad thing is, I know at least half of those do work, even at the higher ends because there are a few players on JP server who trot around with Jack Frost builds like that. I wanted to pass on Agilao but the only thing I have available that would get it won't get it til 73, so forget that.

Now to get hit by Expel / Fire / Electric / Mind / Cure 99999 times to learn them (before I attempt to make a Jack Frost and inevitably fail, hard)!

Jam it back in, in the dark.
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Old Dec 5, 2008, 10:38 AM Local time: Dec 5, 2008, 09:38 AM #10 of 66
I've seen a few pictures on the aeriagames forum, by one of the people who helped AeriaGames translate stuff for the closed beta.

JP wiki has a giant table in a spreadsheet format, the problem is figuring out what all the English names for the families are. Also figuring out how to organize what exactly you would get since it's based on the sum of their levels.

Then you factor in the Elementals which force the families to either go UP or DOWN a level due to their erratic nature. Something about their instabilities resulting from combining the same family causing them to force evolutions or de-evolutions in certain families.

I'm guessing for me, since I'm kind of fucked:

Harthor + Nozuch = Pyro Jack (I already tested to see what I would get, 18+14 [default levels] falls within the range of Pyro Jack).

Pyro Jack + Aeros (Fairy x Fairy) = High Pixie
High Pixie + Aeros = Jack Frost

The problem is hoping the skills I want to Inherit will keep passing down along the line.

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Old Dec 5, 2008, 03:27 PM Local time: Dec 5, 2008, 02:27 PM #11 of 66
Well, here's a list of all the registered Families in Shin Megami Tensei: IMAGINE (according to MegaTen Wiki), which is what I think they are using in the AeriaGames translation:

Giant Japanese List of Crap:

1 神霊 Shinrei / Godly Spirit
2 大天使 Daitenshi / Seraph
3 威霊 Iryou / Entity
4 魔神 Majin / Deity
5 邪神 Jashin / Vile
6 霊鳥 Reichou / Avian
7 女神 Megami / Goddess
8 天津神 Amatsukami / Heaven Ruler
9 凶鳥 Kyouchou / Raptor
10 天使 Tenshi / Divine
11 邪鬼 Jaki / Evil Demon
12 妖鳥 Youchou / Wild Bird
13 妖魔 Youma / Yoma
14 地霊 Chirei / Earth Spirit
15 死神 Shinigami / Death
16 聖獣 Seijuu / Holy Beast
17 魔獣 Majuu / Beast
18 妖精 Yousei / Fairy
19 精霊 Seirei / Element
20 魔人 Majin / Fiend
21 御魂 Mitama / Sacred Soul
22 幻魔 Genma / Demigod
23 妖獣 Youjuu / Wilder
24 竜王 Ryuuou / Snake
25 夜魔 Yama / Night
26 神獣 Shinjuu / Godly Beast
27 外道 Gedo / Foul
28 妖鬼 Youki / Brute
29 幽鬼 Yuuki / Haunt
30 竜神 Ryuujin / Dragon
31 堕天使 Datenshi / Fallen Angel
32 鬼女 Kijo / Femme
33 国津神 Kunitsukami / Nation Ruler
34 地母神 Jiboshin / Mother Earth
35 邪竜 Jaryuu / Evil Dragon
36 鬼神 Kishin / Guardian
37 破壊神 Hakashin / Destroyer
38 魔王 Maou / Tyrant


Here are the fusion tables I've seen as made by Shandrakor over at AeriaGames(only a few families covered):

Long List of Images:















Level Range is the combined levels of the two demons used in the fusion. Fall within that range and you should get the demon listed. That was kind of translated a while back though and the Japanese sites have a much more intensive (but still a guess in some cases) chart for the level ranges.

I'm trying to keep my head about in the stupid giant table but it's kind of annoying since they use one symbol for everything, and 39x39=massive text of death

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Old Dec 5, 2008, 04:29 PM Local time: Dec 5, 2008, 03:29 PM #12 of 66
Well, the generic double fusion chart lists only 33 of the 38. Some of them must not have been charted (and one is elemental so it doesn't count), but I'll do my best anyway working on this table thing here.

I noticed the translations are a little different (like, Snake is what this game uses as Dragon Lord or whatever) but it will have to make due, if it even makes sense.

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Old Dec 5, 2008, 05:09 PM Local time: Dec 5, 2008, 04:09 PM #13 of 66
Fusion Combinations are what make up that particular little group.

Let's go with the Goddess one for example (since I am most familiar with it due to 3849348934 fusions).

You can take Angel (called Divine in the game I believe), and a Fairy to make this fusion, or one of the other types of combinations listed in the picture.

Angel is comprised of all the things in that one image that had Angel on it (Angel, Archangel, so on and so forth), and Fairy is Pixie, Jack Frost, High Pixie, Pyro Jack, you get the idea.

Let's say you take Angel, and Jack Frost. Add their levels (if you use defaults it will be 11 and 11) and you get 22. Harthor's level range is 13~35, so that particular combination (at default levels, that is) will yield a Lv18 Harthor. Now if you used ArchAngel and Pyro Jack (17 and 20) you get 37, which will give you Ameno-Uzume (who comes at Lv24). You could get the same result if you leveled your Angel from 11 to 26, since then that Angel + Jack Frost would give 37.

It's kind of annoying to chart it all out, but basically a certain combination will always yield from a specific family (Divine + Fairy will ALWAYS give from the Goddess), but what you get will be based on the levels used. Variations on demons can contribute to this since they come at either a higher or lower level than the normal

EDIT: I have no clue how useful these are but I made the table.

Double Fusion

It was kind of a rough Find/Replace fest so there might be a few screw ups here and there compared to the original chart (which used shortened forms of everything so it was harder to piece together)

The Megaten Wiki has a list of all the demons in the game it seems, so I guess you could look there to see what demons fall in what.

IMAGINE Demonic Compendium

How ya doing, buddy?

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