Religion: What it means to you

Originally Posted by Hachifusa

You have the time to prattle off ridiculous statements about the Bible. Please find these sources and tell us, because that MIGHT actually help your position.

If you're preaching in the highways, here, you really aren't good at it.

If ALL of you people promise to cut out the name calling & harsh statements, I will gather my sources and present them.

If not I can only assume that what I provide will be a platform for more ridicule.

I am showing where I am on the landscape of myriad beliefs and a course to a defined concept of virtue. This is what my religion means to me and this is what a christian is supposed to do.

Can you or anyone else here do the same?

All I can see right now is a body of people that slam ideas but present no particular source of their own (with quotes or statements) as their guide for the concept of virtue. Its easy to walk around with a hatchet and destroy things but what do you build your life on?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Secular humanism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You're welcome.

Ok, now we are gettin somewhere. What does this mean to you? How has humanism proven to you to be superior in its definition of virtue?

Can anyone else lay down their hatchet for a moment and share their position?

Originally Posted by Grail

But you see, in this day and age people see through all the bullshit, we've become smarter than the average "flock" and realized that there are too many contridictions in that little book of yours to have any merit on why we should build our life around it. I certainly don't wish to be a hypocrite, hence I don't follow the bible.

The bible clearly defines what it means to be a Christian. If you see a person claiming to be a follower of Jesus and then acts like a hellion you can't blame the book. This is the stregnth of the book its a guide to set believers straight. The person acts the way they believe and if its ungodly behavior that person doesn't follow Jesus Christ.

Dont let a few bad people undergird prejudice.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

This is the second time I've seen you take the stance that only christianity provides a moral basis for human action. Do you really think that without your religion, which is young compared to many, the world would fall into anarchy and cruelty?

Consider the previous posts and see if you can find love & compassion linked with the stated beliefs of the people who typed them in for me to see. Let that be proof of my position.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

* This life - A concern for this life and a commitment to making it meaningful through better understanding of ourselves, our history, our intellectual and artistic achievements, and the outlooks of those who differ from us.

* Ethics - A search for viable individual, social and political principles of ethical conduct, judging them on their ability to enhance human well-being and individual responsibility.

Humanism is based on things like logic and reason, rather than tradition and dogma.

*Hands clapping.* I like your reply. Thanks for breaking it down in simple terms.
Based on my experience of your humanism my only complaint is that it fails to have a central vehicle for calling people to some form of standards in ethical conduct.

I read the part about life & ethics but I have yet to experience your actions that express your commitment to such concepts. What I mean by this is the plain fact that when you see a person being abused (such as the verbal forms leveled against me) you did nothing to stop it. I saw no statement that called for a higher standard to which the other members here should strive for in the treatment of their fellow man.

I would expect this from Jackyboy the nihilist but not from someone who has more definition of ethics in their beliefs.

We can argue all day on the fine points of information, but its how we live out what we say that tells others what we believe.

My religion means calling people to a higher standard and stopping to take the time to consider how your neighbor feels. Have my statements ever been an attack on the person of my fellow members?

Yes I ask the questions, yes I have opinions but I never try to do it in a way that is intended to do harm. Jesus did the same thing and look what happened to him. Has anything really changed in 2000 years?

Originally Posted by Grail

Then you have to admit, if only 5% of the people who actually read the bible, and follow it are doing it right, then the book isn't doing it's job, is it?

I think it is doing a good job. Its sifts the believers from the nonbelievers.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

If that's your definition of abuse you should toughen up. My friends and I are often far more cutting and insulting in our remarks about each other.

Also, this is the internet, who takes anything said here to heart?

Toughen up? Lets read this again-->Building a better world - A conviction that with reason, an open exchange of ideas, good will, and tolerance, progress can be made in building a better world for ourselves and our children.

We here are good at the exchange of ideas part, but what about good will & tolerance?
It appears that your belief system requires that people that dont measure up to some standard of "toughness" need to have the good will and be tolerant and not the folks who are able to measure up.

I'm only using the standard by which many here measure christians by.

Originally Posted by Hachifusa

No, but I think you aren't being empathetic enough......you might come at us in a more pleasant, less demeaning, tone.

I am sorry if I hurt anyones feelings. My position is not ment to say that I am a better, smarter, more virtuous person than anybody else.

My religion means looking at myself, seeing my personal faults and dealing with them first before I present my case for virtues. Earlier in this discussion a person asked me about pride being a sin.

Without going into the specifics of of pride and how it works on a biblical level, I will say that I am a man plagued with a host of issues that threaten to undermine my life & spiritual developement. I am a messed up person who believes that I need help because I have tried being the "best" I can your way and discovered that I fall woefully short of even my own goals.

I have however found help in a bible. Its straight forward critisism of the human condition speaks to me with accuracy my state and the state of the folks here. My belief that Jesus is my Lord & Savior isnt just some fanciful notion that I just tell folks to make myself feel good. I really take it seriously as if God Himself is watching & working in my actions right now. With this mindset my perspective on how I approach problems and life in general is an improvement on the ways I lived before this paradigm shift.

Even though this is the internet I am still obligated to care because my God would want me to. My religion means to pursue virtue at all times in all situations.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

I had nothing but goodwill and tolerance when you first started posting, but your constant refusals to back up your arguments with any sort of evidence has eroded any goodwill I once had. I will be tolerant and have goodwill to people who deserve it.

So we have to measure up to your standards to deserve some of that good will you were talking about?

I may never measure up to the standards of the folks here cause I can't even measure up to the standards of my God on my own merit.

This is why I depend on his provision of the sacrifice of His son Jesus. Jesus died to fill the gap that our inadequacy creates between each other and our creator. Because of this generous provision I never insist that people need to be what I expect them to be in order to have my respect.
(Matthew 18:21-35 Colossians 3:13)

Originally Posted by Capo

How do you know you exist?

I know because the people here respond to me.

My religion means wisdom & discernment through the methods of God.
(Romans 12:2)

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Originally Posted by kinkymagic

The stadards of my fellow posters are much lower than the christian god. We merely ask that if you make a point then to include some logic and reason in it. We don't ask that you are perfect even though we made it impossible for you to be.

Ok. Time to get to the logic and reason. To wrap up what religion means to me I'll finish with "purpose".

The Christian walk has given me purpose in living that the "get tough" & "Get a life" philosophies lack.

I am aware of the conditioning that demands that if someone thinks outside of the "accepted model" they are to be cast out, ridiculed & punished. Some folks here find purpose in this.

Before the bible, my perspective was alot like yours.
The self made man, capabale of anything, master of my own fate, ect.
I was groomed to follow the footsteps of my parents by constantly being immersed in their hedonistic lifestyle. Eventually I did live their way.

I know where many of you are comming from, because of my experiences I fear where many of you are headed but thats beside my point.

As a Christian, I feel that my religion offers a purpose that is superior to any other lifestyle in virtue.

From my perspective the prevailing philosophy here is to persevere in becoming as crystal hard & numb as you can to life. I see it in the lack of concern for others in the posts.

I ask what purpose do you serve in your philosophy?

My puropse has been to show a better way than you know, not provide some proof or cunning argument. Through our discussion my purpose has been aimed at your hearts just like the bibles teaching aims at the human heart.(Ezekiel 11:19)
The reason my purpose is aimed at your heart (the place in you that drives your desires & actions) is because even if I was to pray and an angel tapped each of you on the shoulder the proof would only change your mind.
I have seen it first hand with an agnostic friend of mine and read plenty of examples of it in the bible of how this tactic fails.
My purpose has been to present an alternative to an earthly hell that leads to a spiritual one.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by FallDragon

LordsSword, by being Christian you are being completely egotistical and self-absorbed whether you want to realize it or not. The religious, by definition, require a self-absorbed view of the world where they are the singular holders of sacred truths. So at least cut the humility act, please.

I admit being self absorbed. There is no denying this.

The bible cant be found as the basis of the fault you pointed to.
The book teaches against such an attitude.

There are many more faults that can be found in my character but I never claim that I personally have the answers to remedy my issues.

Again & again I state that my answers have been found in the bible and that I rely on it & fellow believers to strengthen me in my personal weaknesses.

Christians often say they have sacred truths because they have experienced improvement from following biblical teaching.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

You have only yourself to blame for the replies you have been getting. Time and time again you have been asked to back up your arguments with evidence and instead of doing so you have started claiming victimisation.

I've only stated what my religion means. I dont need evidence for that.
I suppose I have gotten what I have expected.
John 15:19 If you belonged to the
world, the world would love you as its
own. Because you do not belong to the
world, but I have chosen you out of the
world-- therefore the world hates you.
My religion means doing what I have done knowing what will come.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Name one virtueous act that cannot be performed by an athiest.

Sincere prayer to God. Not virtuous to an atheist but to the rest of the world its a thumbs up.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

You've never given me the slightest reason to believe in this. I refuse to make a 'leap of faith' for Christianty just as I refuse to make a 'leap of faith' for a deposed Nigerian offical who needs my help to launder money.

I have seen a few views of courage here in this thread, where is yours? What will it cost you to just ask Jesus to forgive your sin?

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Yet they remain curiously unable to substantiate these claims.

Please cut out the Argumentum ad nauseam because it is becoming rather tiring.

I'm am expert at this am I not? When patience for this thread finally collapses from fatigue I will know that God is finished with it. Until then I will state in every way possible what my religion means to me.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

You have on countless occasions also maintained that you are right and everyone else is wrong. For that you do need evidence.

Not in this context. We need a new thread.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

One of my best friends is a Christian. He was president of the Christian Fellowship at university and goes to church many days of the week. He is also universally liked by thiest and athiest alike because unlike some people he does not intentionally provoke people in order to confirm his own biases.

By its nature the gospel message is confrontational. Hence the reason why we are at this point. Ask your friend if he has ever been given a hard time about his faith.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

How has prayer ever helped anyone other than by being a rather childish placebo. I'm afriad you'll need to do a little better than that.

Its still virtuous to give a placebo if its the best that you have.
Dont complain about the remedy if it works.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

What in the blue hell does courage have to do with anything?

To embrace the concept of God & his promises with no proof requires courage. The Bible & Christian history is replete with examples of this concept put into action. Ask your friend.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

LSword, if you really want to non-fundamentalists to have any respect whatsoever for you stop being such a conceited, cowardly, infruriating, dense, passive-agressive, obstinate, idiotic, bragging, self-righteous, childish, foolish zealot.

I found out long ago that a person reveals what they truely are under stress. With all your smarts this is what you are reduced to when you are pressed to the limit. Humanism is but a mask you put on but we know what you really look like.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Can you offer evidence for you position or not? Looks like I'll need to add 'evasive' to my summerisation. Contect has nothing to do with it, any argument need evidence that supports it.

I agree with you but my course lies in a different path than the "evidence" route.
The net offers each of us a considerable ammount of firepower but my goal has been accomplished several times over.
I am evasive but its for a reason.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

The reason that you find people become short-tempered with you may have something to do woth your personality rather than your beliefs.

My religion means having a personality that confronts the status quo.
(Matthew 5:13-14) The way I have behaved is patterned after many Biblical principals. Practice of these principals have become apart of my personality.

The same can be said of all of you.

Your tirade of descriptive words about me is a revelation of what you believe but I feel it is lost upon our audience. Perhaps not to the most perceptive readers, but my tactic thus far is to expose the the "natural man" in action. I do this in order to show what a person looks like without God & His message. Painful as this process may be this is another aspect of what my religion means to me.
Jesus suffering at the hands of his captors shows us the ugliness of human nature so that we can learn from his sacrifice. He provoked people too in debate & actions that confronted the status quo of his day.
Its a model for me as well to help people see themselves.


Look at what you think of your fellow man.
{conceited, cowardly, infruriating, dense, passive-agressive, obstinate, idiotic, bragging, self-righteous, childish, foolish zealot}

These are just some of the colorful terms thrown my way. By labeling me with such terms you are in essence saying you are none of these things &
that you are an authoritative judge of human character and what it should be.
Would a conceited person acts this way?
In dealing with mentally inferior person (idiotic), your solution isn't to help but to browbeat your fellow man. Is this a brave act?
How about self-righteousness, and zealotry. Your stand has been as strident as mine. How are you supposed to demonstrate your intelligence if you don't model by example.

We can take this to the next level. When you are ready lets continue.

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Originally Posted by Smelnick

All I hear is BLAH BLAH BLAH!!

Please don't be frustrated because i'm not playing the game the way you want me to. We know each of us is entrenched in our own positions and really i'm not out undermine your education. You have already made up your mind before I came along.
This debate has gone on since antiquity, and you are not at a loss for the information that sustains your position.
My direction follows what my religion means to me which handles matters we have yet to tackle with sufficiency in this discussion. The matter in question is the notion of
a moral construct and how it weighs in your life. I think this is the weakest aspect of my opponents positions and thus the focal point of my direction.

Your information is strong to be sure but your practice of what you know is a different story.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Roph

I'm sure LordSword has heard of (and probably dislikes) Richard Dawkins, and I'd agree he does seem a bit strange sometimes, but it doesn't change what he's saying.

I dont have a problem with Dawkins personally.
My issue is when people tell me that my faith & religious practice is some kind of mind trip or a story for the uneducated then leaves folks hanging.
It is equally stupid to destroy the basis upon which people make moral decisions without presenting an alternative. I stress that in presenting the alternative one must model it.

I would watch Dawkins show with my kids an provide the counter viewpoint
needed. I own several books written by atheists and have prepared biblical points that refute their claims. I feel my view is superior because the Bibles ultimate purpose is for the present and eternal benefit of us readers and the cultures in which we interact with.

Originally Posted by niki

Maybe it has been said already in the thread, but I'm curious about what kind of Christian LordsSword is, and what you people are targeting exactly when talking about "Christianity".

I'm a by the book Christian. Live by faith, proclaim the biblical message, ect. I view all the people who profess Jesus Christ the Son of God as Lord as my extended family.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

You understand that neither side of the fence has one iota of proof for what they believe, right?

I disagree. Christians have the proof of the empty tomb of Jesus and the documented stories of eyewitnesses who were tortured and killed because they said they saw him alive. The community of faith that I belong to endured & continues to survive this kind of treatment to this day because the faith experience is real and we wont deny it even if it costs us our lives.
http://www.christianpersecution.info/

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Let's play a game: how many times can LordSword repeat himself in one thread? I'll give $20 to the winner who guesses right.

I'm glad somebody is keeping track. Its easier to learn something with repetition.

Look, people tell me give the proof, give the proof but i'm not here to give my side so you can play "duck hunt" and shoot it down. This is what we are conditioned to do and i've done it myself, but I have learned from my mistake.
If you really want the proof you have to do it the biblical way. The book has easy to follow directions to get what God has to offer(Acts 2:38). When you get it, then you will have all the proof you will need. At least give this a try.

Since many of you are "scientific" and are about testing and proving, just make the effort of one genuine prayer of repentance and acceptance of Jesus as Lord of your life. Then see if your view of the world changes.
A simple experiment done in moments, then you can tell us about it.

Another experiment would be if you just cant bring yourself to mouth the words or even think about a prayer. If this is this the case, we members who profess faith in God can pray for you to strengthen you in this endeavor. Should you have the sudden inclination to pray, this second experiment will be verifiable to you.

If you are not able to consider either of these two options of proof, be honest and admit you dont want any.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Again you are using the bible as a non-fictional base but you have yet to give any evidence that is anything but a bunch of stories. How is the bible any different from say, The Epic of Gilgamesh?

The bible is backed up with many archeological evidences. C'mon you have a well informed Christian friend surely he has brought this up.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

You have already been told countless times that persecution doesn't prove that you are right,

Yet you have no basis for disproving basis upon which people sustain their beliefs.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Not proof (which only exists in maths), what we want is evidence. If it is legitimate evidence then surely we would be unable to shoot it down.

Your experience will be the evidence.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Give what a try? Do you mean I should go against all rational judgement and suspend my critical faculties?

Yes. It is upon this premise alone that the bible says we are to recieve God and his gifts.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

How is this remotely scientific? Also, how could we make a genuine prayer to someone we don't beleive in? Could you make a genuine prayer to Eris?

God claims to be the one true God. Bringing up the very concept of the Judeo-Christian God obviously has an impact upon your very being. Unlike Eris, my God commands a great deal of attention from you and many other folks here, hence the constant attacks on Him and His system. Your argument is against a concept of Him that is easily accessible to you so center your attention on that in your prayer.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

In other words, it is IMPOSSIBLE for us to accept something completely extraordianry without evidence. Don't blame us, it was God that made us this way.

Nothing is impossible with God. Even now I believe He will bridge the gap that this interface we share creates. I dont even know your real name but He does, put the believers here to the test. If you lack what you feel you need we can help you.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

I can mouth the words to a prayer, and often have done. Nothing happened.

Ah, but a prayer of repentance is one God pays special attention to. You can't expect to get something if you have insulted the person you make the request to.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

I hate to repeat myself almost as much as you love to, but you really don't understand what proof entails.

You are not the ultimate judge of what "proof" is. Christian experiences defy your views of reality.

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Originally Posted by Yggdrasil

I think its these "archeological evidences" that people like kinkymagic would like to see, not just hear about.

People like kinkymagic will only accept things on their terms & conditions.
I know I have made claims that I have yet to support and I did this for a reason. If you are like Kinkymagic you will appreciate the information more if you just looked yourselves.

I'm just pointing the way. Religious people found their faith on more than you think that they do.

A google search, some time at a library or even some face to face time with a person who did some time in a school that specializes in the bible would go along way to dispel myths & assumptions.

I make a big deal here because time is running out, we won't live forever.

Originally Posted by Capo

The entire point of evangelism is to convert people. Being nice to potential converts generally helps.

If I messed up, I'm open to biblical correction from anyone here.

Christianity means evangelism to me. Going out & interacting with folks is what Jesus has always done. He also made a point to not fulfill the expectations of his critics to expose their true nature & intentions.
I've made a point to do the same.
There are many other things that I have learned and have put to work that I will not reveal....

Many thanks to the Admins here for being attentive to me in their own way to keep me focused and giving me the opportunity to make my case.
Their contribution to the work of Christ doesn't go unnoticed.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

A.) "Christianity" means evangelism to you? Wow. That's kind of fucked up. You'd think it would mean something more like "moral code," "personal guidance," or "way of life."

Missionaries still swarm the globe in an effort to do what I have done and do alot of good in their efforts.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Auca

Despite the current view of the Christian faith we continue because of reactions like yours. Its not a club its a way of life that has changed the world for the better.

Research the origins of the most prestigious educational institutions in the U.S. & the older charitable institutions as well. You will find the Bible has alot to do with their founding.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

What have you done except annoy people and give Christianity a bad name?

Since you are not a Christian you are in no position to judge my statements.
The option of the experiment I told you about is still open.

As I stated before I will accept biblical correction & retract my statements if I am in error.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

They swarm the globe and annoy the shit out of everyone who has an established faith.

As a practice of a biblical command to believers.
You ask me to abandon a practice of my faith to make you comfortable.
Acts 5:29-Peter and the other apostles replied: "We must obey God rather than men!

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Wars are fought over bullshit like this. People DIE over such trivial crap.

No. People die because they react in judgment of others without knowlege and mercy.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I was under the impression, by the way, that pride is a sin. You may want to consider that when preaching your tripe.

Show me a biblical verse to sustain your opinion.

Originally Posted by SuperNova

I have a hard time believing that the sole purpose of their new found faith is enlightenment, I would say it's more survival. The people helped in these tribal cultures are more than likely listening to you because you bring them aid that anyone could give them.

This is how you think.

Originally Posted by SuperNova

Because The Crusades were definitely for the better. Nothing like millions of deaths that make you wanna give yourself a pat on the back!

I would be rich if I got a nickle every time I heard this one.

The crusades are NOT sustained by anything in the bible. The "christians" involved in that struggle broke every rule in Gods word. Blame the self justified leaders and the ignorance of their followers not the bible.

Originally Posted by SuperNova

Let's face it, even institutions that were built on the basis of any kind of religion in this country is lost on those who currently run them.

This is a grim truth that I will admit. Over the years my people got lax and just handed it all over. They got tired and weaker in faith with every new generation. At one time folks like me were not seen as an oddity but our true adversary has been hard at work.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by packrat

Your ridiculous assertion that, since he is not a Christian, he is in no position to judge the opinion of those external to Christianity is utterly without merit. If it is your duty to be an evangelist, and be a good ambassador to the non-Christian masses, you are doing a piss-poor job of it.

Deuteronomy 6:5 You shall love
the LORD your God with all your heart,
and with all your soul, and with all your
might.

1 Peter 3:15 but in your hearts
sanctify Christ as Lord. Always be ready
to make your defense to anyone who
demands from you an accounting for the
hope that is in you;

John 14:15 "If you love me, you
will keep my commandments.

God is the judge of my preformance not people. This is my priority.

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Proverbs 11:2
Proverbs 16:18
Proverbs 18:12

My reply to Kinkymagic & Packrat-->
1 Corinthians 2:11-15........Those who are
unspiritual do not receive the gifts of
God's Spirit, for they are foolishness to
them, and they are unable to understand
them because they are spiritually
discerned.
Those who are
spiritual discern all things, and they are
themselves subject to no one else's
scrutiny.

Biblical correction is attached to following biblical teaching. Until you can obey the book dont pretend to teach from it.

Originally Posted by SuperNova

Thanks. That's the argumentative equivalent of "NO U!" or "NUH UH! YOU'RE WRONG!" You sit there and judge everyone else, how does it feel to be on the other side of the pedestal?


And everything YOU say is how YOU think. Prove to me how it makes you RIGHT, then I'll agree with you.

I'm sorry. I didnt complete my thought because I was interrupted.
I volunteer to help homeless people in my community. I have sat down and talked with them. I know for a fact that their opinion of Christians isn't based just on the services. They know that we use our time because of what is written in the book:

Matthew 25:35-40 For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in, I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.'

"Then the righteous will answer him, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you a stranger and invite you in, or needing clothes and clothe you? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you?'

"The King will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.'

This last passage is the basis for ALL Christian service in many areas of community this is why people go running to thier local church when there is a catastrophe because there is the assumption that help is available.

Where is the basis for an atheist or agnostic to serve in their community?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

And why do you keep quoting scripture? We know you <3 the bible.

Maybe I should start quoting random books, too.

I quote scripture for a reason. Everything I do is for a reason that is easily found in the bible.
Go ahead a quote the books you want. You are free to do that.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

You think only of serving your god. I think only of serving humanity. (And heaven knows it could use some help.)

"Heaven knows" is right. By serving my God I serve my community. I'm not hurting anybody by advertising for Jesus. If you are "fine" lets just leave it at that, why do you have to try to stop the message of Jesus from getting to people who may need it?

I was a dope head who got off drugs thanks to the bible. If you dont like the biblical message why dont you take my place and show people how to be "fine" like you?

Originally Posted by kinkymagic

Then why dd you even ask for correction if you weren't going to accept it?

Originally Posted by Benjamin

Saying lack of belief in the book's lessons makes it impossible to understand what they truly convey is an exercise in ignorance. It's possible to be literate and have common sense and not believe in things, and still yet understand them! We call this "intelligence".

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Knowledge, not belief, is the basis of understanding, son. Until you learn the difference, you seriously need to shut the fuck up and quit acting like you get to make arbitrary rules just because you're losing the argument.

You quote scripture to prove your point, we quote scripture to point out holes in the book you take as law. We quote from books we find life changing and important.

So the unreligious can say to the religious person:
"Hey you're practicing your religion in the wrong way! We dont believe your book but do as we say anyway!!"
C'mon folks, who is being unreasonable now?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

We don't need your permission to prove you wrong.

No you don't and whatever proof you have I hope it works for you. I just make my case its my job. People tell me to shut up but look, i'm still here thanks to the freedom some people believe in.
From what I can see the unreligious folks are into censorship and taking freedom away from others.
My God is into freedom & equality for everybody. My religion means freedom for all people no matter what their position.

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