Why are people so keen on gov't run healthcare again?

Yeah if you already have decent healthcare the prospect of a single-payer system reducing your quality of care becomes worrying. It also happens that a majority of Americans already have good health coverage, which is a significant reason for political opposition to single-payer, and the exact reason that single-payer healthcare reform is not on the table and won't be perhaps for decades, rendering the point of this thread utterly moot.

Then again, millions of blacks die prematurely from cardiovascular disease, prostate cancer, cervical cancer, etc, in rates far exceeding that of whites because they have poor healthcare coverage or no healthcare coverage at all. Night Phoenix himself had a crisis of faith in our corporatist healthcare system when he lost his job and the health insurance that was attached to it. So unemployment spooks a nigga, but now that he's back on the horse his new job is just going to last forever and he'll never have to worry about health coverage again.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well Obama's proposed a tax hike on cigarettes to help finance the new programs, so more to the point the government is bleeding you dry and everybody else who smokes (poor people).

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

So lemme see if I understand your argument correctly...

Because at some point in the future, I may lose my job and the health insurance that comes along with it, I should therefore be supportive of a socialist health care system even though I'm not confident in the abilities of the federal government to adequately fund it when it can't even make Social Security and Medicare solvent?

Is that your argument?

Well it's not just my argument, it's the argument of every black man who can't get medical insurance.

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Haha, the truth is that the military was massively incompetent under Republican administration as well as all other branches of government.

As a matter of trends, the military has also been a huge money sink as we wasted billions on carrier groups that could be sunk by Chinese diesel submarines, and stealth fighters that were designed to fight Russian 4th generation aircraft that they can't produce.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

In fairness - any ship can be sunk, Brady. It's not like we have some revolutionary Adamantium plating with which we can armor our warships with (which, if we did, would be fucking awesome). However, just because a diesel submarine is capable of killing a carrier doesn't mean that we wasted money on carrier groups. Know why? Because the purpose of the carrier group is to protect the carrier - that's why you have dedicated ASW frigates and a pair of 688 Los Angeles-class subs protecting the ship from anti-submarine threats.

One of the few things that kept the US from invading Iran were those wargames that demonstrated their Sunfire missiles would turn US carrier groups into billion dollar coffins. There is no defense against anti-ship missile systems, and AEGIS can be easily overwhelmed. The days of the surface navy have been over since the 50's.

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Besides, you can't project force with a frigate and destroyer navy. You can with aircraft carriers, which is why we have them.

It could be possible to create a low-cost fleet of WW2-esque escort carriers offloading CAS and drone aircraft into crisis zones. There's not a country in the world that would necessitate a navy air presence without a neighboring country perfectly willing to lease air bases to the US for some sweet moolah.

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And some of the cuts they're making to the defense budget I really don't have a problem with - we don't need all the F-22s the Air Force wants because no one challenges us in the air.

The more I think about it, some of our defense spending does need to be trimmed, if only to move us away from building up an even more formidable "I'm going to be fighting an opponent with tank divisions and full air wings" capability to fighting a "I'm going to be fighting guys who are highly mobile and have no intention on waiting around for a US tank regiment to run me over" capability.

If some of that savings can be funnelled into making Medicare and SS solvent, cool.

This is at least one policy decision everybody should agree upon. There's no point in developing high technology weapons to fight another high technology military that doesn't exist.

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I was speaking idiomatically.