The Immigration Protests

The problem with the Guest Worker Program bill is that it provides a path to citizenship for illegals currently in the country. Essentially granting them Amnesty.

The "Good Samaritan" legislation is essentially moot, because the law only applies to people that you can effectively prove where knowingly aiding an illegal alien. If you know that Manuel jumped the border and is waiting for a roof construction gig, and you give him food and shelter instead of reporting him to the INS, that's essentially aiding and abetting.

One thing I love about all of this, is the increased use of the term "undocumented workers." Last I remember, an undocumented worker would have been somebody who wasn't paying taxes. Not that people making below minimum wage would actually be paying any taxes outside of Sales, but the point still stands that any way you look at it, they're blatantly breaking the law.

How ya doing, buddy?

I make 7.50 an hour detailing steel, cleaning bathrooms, the kitchen, and the entire office.

Capitalism indeed.

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This country is made of immigrants.

No it isn't. While you might make the argument that the country was founded by immigrants, most of the founding fathers were already members of established American aristocracy.

I didn't come over here on a boat, I didn't work in America for ten years to get dual-citizenship so I could go back to Vancouver and get free medical. I was born in America, I've lived in America all my life, and while my ethnicity may not make me indigenous, I am sure as Hell a native.

American identity has been shaped by immigrants, yes, but those were the ones that we wanted.

The fact of the matter is, though, that we do want these people. It's just a matter of taxation. Illegals only contribute in a capitalistic sense, while taking everything from social services. It's not fair to American citizens that these people can just come over and work, while not observing any of our laws.

A Day Worker program would be great if the proposed bill didn't offer a path for citizenship.

As far as I'm concerned, though, we should militarize our border. I mean, for Christ's sake, there are counties in Arizona and New Mexico that have been in constant states of emergency since last year, and nobody's doing anything about it.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Well, I'm white. Of course I don't have a problem with it.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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Going over the speed limit. Or driving. Or being black.

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I guess it depends on where you live. I am still in high school and I make $13 an hour, $20/hour on sundays.

Assuming I stayed on with the company, I could potentially be making up to 20 dollars an hour doing what I am right now. Which to me would be a pretty sweet amount of cash. Though, I'm well aware that the company is going down in the next 2 years (Chinese branch :'D) and that it really isn't any part of my long term goals to begin with.

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I don't need to make that argument, it is true.

But it isn't true. I just told you that you that they were members of established American aristocracies. Members of wealthy families that had been in America for generations. I don't believe any of them were actually immigrants, or at least, not the famous ones.

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BUT NOOOO. These are CRIMINALS. GOD FORBID you help a CRIMINAL even! YOU SHOULD GO TO JAIL!

Yes, God forbid I aid and abett. Are you even listening to yourself? If 12 million people commited arson, does that make it alright to shield them from the law?

Move then, we don't need your bullshit.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

And yet, it's the granted force that we provide Law Enforcement which allows them to "racially profile." I mean, honestly, who is going to stop them?

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Arson and a fight for survival by doing honest work are two very different things.

Yes, they are. Yet in both cases, what people are doing breaks the law. Simply because I do something with good intentions, does not mean that I am not breaking a law.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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The people, of course.

I would.

How? How would you know that the police pulled you over because you looked like a wetback? How can you prove it? This is a dilemma faced by a lot of people, which is why police have been "allowed" to racially profile since there has been a police. They do it, because they can get away with it.

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It is so. However, immigration reform could be aimed towards legalizing current illegal immigrants and embracing those who want to pursue citizenship, while eventually deporting the ones who don't want to be Americans.

Yet, if they wanted to be American citizens, why enter the country illegally? It's clear, then, that illegals don't want to be Americans. They just want to live in our country, benefit from our job markets, and not pay taxes.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

So, what difference does it make?

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Heh. Getting back to technicalities, as well, the new law doesn't exactly sanction the act of Racial Profiling. It's just that reality dictates that it's impossible for them not to.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

And how does a felony for a child affect their status in a country that they aren't a citizen of?

Are children even being prosecuted for this? How can you prosecute someone who isn't legally considered capable of offfering consent? I think the same problem applies to your slave trade example. Are Asian, or Russian sex slaves considered felons because they were kidnapped and shipped on a trawler to America?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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Because I don't want to. I want to defend their right to an honest life and hard work in the country that I live and love.

No, what you want to do is give them a right that they have no claim to. Besides, nobody in this country has a right to "honest life and hard work." You have to find those things for yourself.

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These illegal immigrants just want work and an honest life.

Work, yes. If they were really wanting to be honest, however, they would go through the proper channels. Living in the country unregistered, and not paying taxes, is an undeniably dishonest way to live.

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So how is it honest work? How can somebody who circumvents established laws in order to work making an honest living?

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I think "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness" entitle one in the very least to honest and HARD work, and in the best of cases easy work.

Which would mean something if the Declaration of Independance actually entitled us to anything other than our autonomy from Britain.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

It doesn't really matter whether or not they wave the Mexican flag instead of an American one. The end result will still be the same. Congress will pretend to be sensitive, or hard, or smart, to rile up their bases, and nothing will ever get enforced because our military is tied up in Iraq, and border states are pretty much on their own.

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Seriously, though, waving around flags that aren't of one's own nationality is a pretty empty practice.

I mean, do people really need to see the flag to know you're Irish? You'd think they would have stopped at the freckles, or the red hair, or the small penis.

I was speaking idiomatically.