X-Men 3

Juggernaut was fucking righteous. Methinks some may put too much stock in a character who's around primarily to tear shit up and create some half-assed brotherly feud. Juggernaut tore up the place, and "I'm the Juggernaut, bitch!" was my favorite part of the movie, if nothing else, because it's the only joke that didn't feel forced.

It didn't help, either, I suppose, that the fucking tweens in front of us didn't get "Hell hath no fury like a woman scorned."

What a dumb movie, though. Melodrama fucking abounds.

"Are we gonna close the school?"

"But, what, will, become, of us?"

"Hay guys I need a place 2 crash, lol."

"LOL YOU CANSTAY OK WE STAY!"

Crisis averted! 1 minute conundrum!

Angel was entirely incidental. If they pulled this shit they might as well have thrown in Gambit with the kinds of mutants they pulled out from their ass. Fucking Spike? Pawns go first, buddy.

"I kill people with hugs."

Yeah ok.

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He was right for what he did.

Professor X was destroyed by a monster of his own creation, which had already killed his surrogate son, and goes on to kill several mutants and many humans.

How does that make the Professor right?

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Thats not true. Perhaps you should watch the movie over again. he states how when jean was young she had a split personality that called itself the Phoenix that let her powers control her. His blocks put the phoenix to sleep.

Horseshit. Xavier states that he calls it the Phoenix, and that her unused subconcious powers developed its own personality behind his mental blocks.

Xavier sealed Jean's powers because he was afraid that her inability to control them would harm people, but he did so without her consent, and in doing so creates the Phoenix, and fucks over the X-men.

Yet for this sin, Charles faces no punishment, no atonement. The sacrifice he makes is rendered meaningless by the end credits.

Fuck that shit.

Also, an adendum. I was wrong about Spike. I thought I might have been, but Porcupine is actually Kid Omega, and he has the powers of the fucking Quill. So not only did the movie have too many mutants, it couldn't even get their powers right. They might as well have replaced him with the fucking Toad.

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Bradylama, seriously, see the movie again. In no such way did Xavier create Phoenix.

I'm not going to pay another 7 dollars to disprove your niggerdom.

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The end result being a bunch of dead X-Men and other lesser peoples.

Thus bringing up yet another untouched upon idea, in that sometimes the evil thing to do is the right thing.

Magneto should've been the vehicle for this concept, but that sort of ruins the whole basis of the Suprehero/Supervillain dichotomy.

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Has anybody considered the idea that Jean's "Destructive Side" was childhood immaturity? There's no suggestion that her lifting everything in the neighborhood is anything more than childhood mischief. There's no suggestion that it's being performed by anybody other than Jean.

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Nonono, silly girl. It hasn't failed to provide key plot points, it's up to the viewers to decide!

Nightcrawler who?

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Apparently leaked versions of the script had two cameos from Gambit. Really, though, who gives a fuck? There's nothing else to suggest his absence other than a lame commercialization tie-in.

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the only thing phoenix can do.

Other than the levitation, and the massive destruction of property. That was El nino.

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That doesn't account for the wall being untouched after he ran into it.

Well, Juggernaut's power is that he's unstoppable. When his power was based on the magical properties of the whatever crystal, it was halfway believeable in that metaphysical sense in that he could defy physics. All of these comic movies are going with the Ultimate Marvel version of things, though, so Juggernaut is a mutant. If Leech is around to suck out his mutant powers, then Juggernaut loses all of his inertia. He wasn't really running that fast to begin with.

I don't know how, though, the X gene would allow him to build up an unlimited amount of force.

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Juggernaut will send you to the next dimension!

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That still doesn't explain the lack of effect on the wall

If it was a drywall, you're probably right. I think it was, even. You'd think the walls in Alcatraz would me made of stronger stuff, though.

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I think a great many of the people who put X3 down made up their minds the minute Singer bailed.

You are retarded. I actually watched the first two movies for the first time in anticipation of this movie because I thought it would be so awesome.

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I was just reading where Ratner was talking about how that guy Knowles from AICN used to praise him for the "Rush Hour" movies but just seemed to turn on him out of the blue.

Harry Knowles is a fat fucking troglodyte that wouldn't recognize good taste after devouring the African country-sized population required to go into his buckets of Original Recipe.

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And you had your gay little montage avatar before the movie came out. Was that supposed to mean I should have expected your irrelevant defense?

How does a pre-developed bias dispute the fact that this movie was objectively bad?

I was speaking idiomatically.

No, I'm jumping down your throat because you figure that people must not like it based on arbitrary reasoning.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

No. X-men 3 isn't a horrible movie. It's certainly no Silent Night Deadly Night Part 2.

What we're saying is that it is a dumb movie, and bad compared to its predecessors. What you fail to take into account, is that it's impossible to judge a sequel based solely on its own merits when it has to base itself on established characters and continuity. What you're doing is a lot like asking people why they didn't like Godfather Part 3.

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The putting X's motives into question, the great bridge sequence, the surprises X's death, Rogue's choice, Cyclops sudden death, Mystique's curing, the "Juggernaut bitch" line the fairly compotent Jean/Logan drama, and action sequences were good.

No. =/

All of these aspects of the movie were absolutely awful, because they failed to really go anywhere. Magneto moving the Golden Gate Bridge is a cool display of power, but displays of power do not make a movie. Do you think the Star Wars prequels were good because of the cool special effects?

Rogue's choice to get the cure is ultimately pointless becuase the cure itself is only temporary. Will she continue taking the cure like some sex-crazed addict?

Cyclops dying all of a sudden is disorientating, and insulting. It's an awful plot device because it throws away a character that is integral to the X-Men. The professor's death is also meaningless because he isn't dead. There was no sacrifice to be made, the entire affair was pointless outside of getting Wolverine to stop being Wolverine.

The Jean and Logan "drama" revolved entirely around Logan and Jean wanting to bone each other, and then culminating in Logan having to kill Phoenix. This wasn't competent, because Jean wasn't even present throughout perhaps 10 seconds of the film. What this was, was Logan drama. A conundrum specific to Wolverine, not the both of them.

It's short-sighted apologists like you that support this kind of shit. I hate people that don't understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem, and you, sir, are no exception.

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I've noticed a lot of people complaining about X3 not following the comics when there are movies that didn't follow the comics storylines and a lot of people still liked them.

Irrelevant. Simply because other movies have gotten away with it because they were actually good movies does not make your strawman any more legitimate. It's not simply a matter of it not following the comics, it's a matter of them not having the same characters.

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I find that hypocritical.

What, you think people didn't complain about that at the time of their release? The difference here is that people will remember X3's continuity errors with more enthusiasm because this movie was just dumb. Plain and simple.

Sacrifices have to be made in order to forge a consistant narrative within a 2 hour timeframe. We can't expect Rogue to be from the South, or Mystique to be Nightcrawler's momma. These concerns are rendered meaningless by the story that Singer was able to tell, and the fact that he actually got the characters right. Neither things can be said for the current iteration, but looking at context seems to be something you apologists are never able to accomplish when it comes to defending your blind fandom.

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First of all, I'm not an apologist.

You are an apologist. You've attempted to roll over all the elements that made this film bad by trying to highlight the stuff that you think is good. Essentially attempting to apologize for what makes this movie awful by saying that there were a few good parts. You are an apologist.

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Third, I do understand why Greedo shooting first is a problem

It doesn't matter if you do or not. It's an allegorical example of people that don't see the big deal in continuity errors.

As for your "problems" with X-men 2.

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Pyro is a pretty "whiny" dead character. Magneto ask him "what can you do?" just like he does in X3.

Pyro is supposed to be a whiny character. He has to be angsty about not being allowed to demonstrate his powers to the fullest. He has a feeling that the X-men are just holding him back, a feeling that Magneto fuels and then capitalizes upon. He's Pyro, he's supposed to be hotheaded.

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Wolverine drama is again, the "only" drama.

Simply because the focus of the movie ties in with Wolverine does not make it his "drama." Wolverine has a subplot that the movie dedicates a lot of time to, sure, but the actual focus of the movie, on his unrequited affections for Jean and her devotion to Scott is a drama that involves multiple characters. Cyclops included. While he may not have had a lot of screentime, his presence and interactions form an actual function to the film's plot, and his sudden dissapearance isn't treated as an afterthought.

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As for the "not making sense", how about how Jean dies? She can turn the plane on and hover it when she is outside the plane, yet she couldn't do the same thing from inside it?

I don't think you understand how much force is behind a motherfucking dam rupture, but suffice it to say that it sure is a Hell of a lot. Jean is no Pheonix, and while she may have been capable of manipulating the X-Wing, she was incapable of manipulating thousands of tons of liquid force without applying a counter psychic force directly to help shield the X-wing. Limitations to character powers is something that seems to have been forgotten in X3, though. Which is why I suppose you find it so enjoyable. Don't have to thinking so hard. =/

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Again, to me, you guys are expecting too much from a movie that tries to be all things to all people, and guess what? It won't be so dont be so disappointed.

"Why are fans of an established franchise dissapointed with a sequel that doesn't appeal to them in a manner that initiated their fandom? It is a mystery."

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Who better to interpret Frank Miller's vision than writers that aren't Frank Miller?

Getting X-Men writers to write an X-men movie would still be a bad idea. Comic writers are by and large awful when it comes to writing something interesting.

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Right, because it's the clothes that are important. Not several copies with the exact same biomass, biological functions, and energy usage.

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