22yr old Arrested for raping 13 yr old met online

Originally Posted by Sin Ansem

IBut I'm wondering if Statutory rape is as massive a problem as people make it out to be--don't get me wrong, it IS a problem, but I'm wondering why we're chucking them in jail for seven years for what appears to be more of a social taboo.

Well the reason it's a taboo is because people would rather not worry about their kids being seduced by 34 year old fucks.

I mean, say what you will about sexual peaks, the sheer difference in mental faculties is nothing short of predatory.

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The kid obviously knows what to say to women,

Right, I bet the 22 year old is the real victim here. Pimp Master Snot Nose was just too much man for her to handle.

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Its not like this boy was manipulated into this situation.

He was 13 fucking years old. Are you next going to argue that beastiality is ok because there's no way that an animal can be manipulated into having sex with a person?

The entire nature of statutory rape is the inability of minors to offer consent. What they think is right, or great, is not necessarily so, and shit like sexual peaks are what makes teenagers particularly susceptible to manipulation from adults.

Everybody would have loved to have had sex with an older woman when they were 13, but as adults we should recognize how wrong it is to actually indulge those impulses. The nature of statutory rape concerning males is inherently predatory, because it is so difficult (practically impossible) for them to say no.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Are you fucking daft? Rape is the act of forcing sex on an non-consenting party. Statutory rape exists because minors are categorically considered incapable of offering consent. Especially with adults.

13 year olds do not exactly know right from wrong. Hell, lots of people never stop developing their own personal moralities, but 13 is sure as fuck not an age where we should be burdening people with those kinds of dilemmas.

I am right, lurker is right, Dev is right, and you are out of your fucking mind if you think that 13 year olds can make informed decisions concerning sexual behavior.

This woman is, without a doubt, the predator, because she is taking advantage of somebody else's weakness for the sake of her own gratification.

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No need to talk to me like one of your whores. I don't appreciate your violent outbursts. (You know, for a mod, you sure act like a 13 year old.)

I am sorry if you do not feel that my Righteous Fury is appropriate for somebody who wants to redefine the severity of rape (i.e. you)

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I largely agree with what you are saying. But, who exactly, knows right from wrong? Do you? Do you really think that ALL people at the age of 18 are all of a sudden hit with a smart stick which imparts upon them good judgment? This isn't always the case. Each case is different. That is all that I am saying.

Yeah and everything is relative and nothing is the same, and if we could actually afford to determine on a case-by-case basis whether this minor is more mentally developed than this minor, then farts would be made of doves.

I am going out on a limb here, to put my foot down and declare: "Statutory Rape is wrong, in all cases."

Using somebody's weaknesses in order to extract juicy feelgood juice is always predatory, or did SirVG not skeev you out?

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So what would think of a culture besides ours where the marriage age is 13? What would you think of a culture in which 13 year olds are married to much older men all the time with little incident?

If you mean cultures like the arabs, then I don't think much of them. Especially not the countries where the Age of Consent is 9 because Mohammad who is great popped one of his wife's cherry at that age.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Rainizzle Gangstashizzle

I am not trying to redefine the severity of rape, which I believe is a term which involves sexual brutality against the will of another. I think all will agree that rape is barbaric. However, I just don't understand why the line is drawn where it is in regards to statutory rape. Thats why I have fine folks such as yourself to help with ma edumacation. Thanks. <3

If statutory rape wasn't barbaric, then it wouldn't be called rape. The reason it's considered to be barbaric, is because societies with high standards of living can afford to extend childhood throughout adolescence. Allowing adults to fuck teens is uncivilized because they don't have to, and therefore shouldn't. If there are no external factors which justify kid diddling, like life expectancies of 28, then the act itself is entirely unnecessary, and becomes just plain wrong.

Rape isn't merely defined in physical violence. The negative impact emotionally and mentally are catastrophic when it comes to teens, because it impacts their development so drastically, and not for the better.

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LOL. Of course. I am choosing to look beyond what we can afford though I understand why the law exists to help protect 'minors'. The golden standard doesn't necessarily imply that its without flaw.

The flaw, however, is immaterial. Minors are defined as being undeveloped as a group, because a mountain of psychological, sociological, and biological evidence demonstrates it as such. Is it ok if an adult is on the mental level of the 15 year old he or she is boning? That's the kind of intellectual luxury that should be afforded only for hypotheticals, and not something to be bandied about in regards to a real case. If we consider the possibility that what has happened might be ok, then we lose any semblance of moral solidarity, since the idea spreads and generates debate.

It is wrong in all cases, predatory in all cases, because the majority of scientific and cultural thinking say so. Though I see you're now going to try and say that it isn't predatory...

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Bollocks. I don't buy that argument. The principle of using somebody's weakness to maligned benefit happens everyday in the world of dating and even marriage, regardless of age. A weakness can be categorized as any number of things. People take advantage of others ALL THE TIME and have done so since the beginning of time, even to extract 'juicy feelgood juice'.

Weakness is a term which holds questionable principle, determined by morals of society. While I appreciate the laws as they exist in my own society, I am not brash enough to admit that it makes another culture wrong.

How enlightened of you. However, taking advantage of weakness for one's personal gain is predatory. The reason that an adult taking advantage of another adult within reasonable bounds isn't illegal, is because adults are capable of defending themselves.

Children cannot defend themselves. They are incapable of saying "no" and incapable of exerting will. Neus said it himself that in a child/adult relationship, the adult is always in control, and if that control is used at the expense of the child it is always predatory, always wrong. You cannot argue this.

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I didn't mean anyone in particular. though its interesting (and somehow unsurprising) to see that you don't think much of them.

There really isn't much well to think of Arab culture, despite your claims of an intellectual high ground. Between the petty tribalism and the inability to maintain an infrastructure, cultures that are predominantly arab will never be able to advance beyond the dark ages. Arab countries that do enjoy good standards of living do so because they either have tons of oil, or they have become much more Westernized.

The Persians would be running circles around the Middle East if they weren't saddled with a theocracy, and in many ways they already are.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Yeah, I guess you could come out better from it in the same sense that somebody who has been mugged learns to buy a gun (LOL).

However, I don't see how you can say:

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I'd go so far as to say there isn't anything wrong with a 13/22 pair

And then call it stupid, while calling the mentality of the mother and the woman in question.

If there is nothing wrong with the situation, why is there something wrong with the adults?

If there is no victim, then why should the adult know better? What is there to know better in a case where nobody has been harmed? There shouldn't be any reason to know better, unless it endangers the parties, and if it does so, how can it not be wrong?

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Intellectual highground doesn't have much to do with it. Your comments seemed to be seeded with anger and racism. If at all, I am sorry I jumped the gun. However, I am still willing to be respectful and openminded of cultures outside of my own. Sometimes, I feel that perspective of others can better help me understand myself and my own culture, which is largely a reason as to why I use culture as a means to enter this argument. You can call me "enlightened" all you like, but its simply what I believe.

Well now let's put this into perspective: I said that there's not much to think of arabs for things like the belief that Mohammad is the Gold Standard of human behavior, and therefore fucking a 9 year old can't be wrong because Mohammad did it. You thought that could have been racist?

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I'm only saying that because a lot of people are implying that this kid is now fucked for life, that this situation automatically confers irreparable harm on someone. Or I'm just misreading.

I was a bit overzealous in that regard, and no it is not guaranteed that he'll be fucked up for life, or even significantly harmed in the short term. However, the danger of that harm is significant enough to warrant protections across the board.

The most significant harm, however, involves how the experience would affect the kid's personality. Half the people in this thread insist that he'll be placed on some kind of Pedestal of Machismo, and you think that's gonna be good for him?

What your logic inevitably arrives at, is that if something is not wrong, then why should it be illegal?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

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I have better things to do than play one of your little games of cat and mouse.

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And to answer your question, yes.

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This is becoming habit. I encourage you to break it.

I would encourage you to just stop posting. Before you dig any deeper holes with droll reasoning and overreactions.

It is not normal to have been sexually active at 13. It's not normal at all.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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You are immature.

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"Oh this rape here might not be so bad, why are you getting so angry?"

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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when I was 13 I said 'no' many times when I was told to wash the dishes or clean my room.

Aw man. How can you not get this?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

There are a couple of ages around that age. Two of them, in fact.

Do not act like a faggot if you cannot communicate.

How ya doing, buddy?

As a loony libertarian I support the right of every Arab to set fire to his local McAckbar's.

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Not only are you racist

Being open-minded doesn't mean you have to accept all backwards superstitious nonsense because it's different from the way you live. At some point you have to come to terms with the fact that many aspects of a culture are wrong, and simply because they are different from you does not make it ok.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Do you also think offering a kid some cigarettes while stressing before a final exam is as loathsome and predatory? Would you agree that anyone who did should be locked up and have their name put in a public registry?

I don't recall a heapin' hunka hurtin' for Virginia Slims when I was 15. Though, yeah, I think that somebody who pushes cigs on kids because it will calm them down is predatory, and should at least be locked up for selling cigarettes to kids.

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(or switch from a gaming nerd to a macho wifebeater over it, as brady implies)

All I said was that he'd turn out to be an asshole, I didn't say he'd hit women.

Asshole.

Even without being an Authority Figure, the sheer difference in age gives her significant power over the kid.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

No, she just would have had to have been legally retarded.

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I think we're forgetting who is saying that a thirteen year old boy can seduce a grown woman. (it's you)

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Can do.

Originally Posted by koifox

grown physically != grown mentally

So you've never know college-age men and women who act for all the world like large children? Lucky, I guess.

Nigga, I've worked with 42 year old men who act like large children. Despite that, having in many ways not "grown up" and out of childish tendencies, their faculties for reasoning and the sheer benefit of experience far outweighed my own, just as my own faculties and experiences, being 22, far outweigh a 13 year old's.

I've also known college-age men and women who date high schoolers, and they skeev me the fuck out. Even then we're talking about 16-18 year olds, and in this case the kid is 13 goddamn years old.

When female teachers become attracted to their students, many times it's because they are the Alpha Male types, and their attention sexually and perhaps emotionally would fill some kind of personal void.

This kid is 13 years old. I don't know how many times I have to repeat this. His testicles have barely dropped, and you're trying to get us to believe that he's got the skills for the ills. He sure as Hell isn't going to be some kind of Alpha Male.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

You know, between the "raping 13 year olds isn't so bad" and the Rozen Maiden av/sig:

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What's the point of having one of these threads every six months, other than identifying the current crop of gf pedos?

HILARIOUS

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Rozen Maiden is the ultimate wet dream of the creepiest Real Doll fetishists.

And that was before the incest.

Making av/sigs around the theme of little girls in elaborate costume is generally poor policy as well, I think.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

It's a joke, see. On its own it would just be like any other animespot av/sig but now that you're arguing statutory it heightens hilarity.

I'm not telling you to take down your Bananarama posters, yo.

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