Who Should Get the Dem Nom?

Of the field of current candidates which one should get the nomination for candidacy? I personally think it should be Gov. Richardson, though I could also see myself voting for Obama in the Presidential election.

Richardson seems to be the only one to understand how free markets work and would probably do right by immigration, but I like Obama as a statesman and think that at the least he could help change American social culture for the better.

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I wonder which part of this thread asked your opinion on Republican nominees?

You can start your own thread, but Ron Paul is just going to win anyways.

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What about her involvement in Whitewater and her history as a corporate lawyer?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Apparently actual Americans who have actually had to pay attention to her don't really want her to be President.

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Charges or no, the conduct of the Clintons throughout the entire investigation remains highly suspect. On the one hand you had the first investigator, Robert Fiske being appointed by Janet Reno, which created a conflict of interest. You then had Hillary claiming she was unable to produce her billing records, which surfaced two years later in her book room in the White House. Throughout the entire process White House lawyers stonewalled the investigation and drew it out for years, and then in the final days of his presidency, Bill pardoned four people who were convicted over the course of the investigation.

I'm not going to front any conspiracy theories here, but at the very least the actions of the Clintons suggest that they used their power in order to protect their friends and business associates.

It also doesn't help that the original Whitewater dealings occurred in 1979, which was a year after Hillary made a 10,000% gain on her investment in cattle futures. That was an issue where Refco invested $1,000 of Clinton's money in $12,000 worth of Cattle Futures contracts, which violated margin trading rules.

The fact remains that Hillary Rodham Clinton is more Rich White Man than any of her actual rich white opponents, and that another Clinton administration would involve a massive amount of corporate largess and probably another round of suspicious pardonings.

The Clinton Administration has been one of the more shadiest of recent history, and Hillary's use of the term "Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy" in many ways channels Richard Nixon, a kind of paranoia that would no doubt involve her expanding the power of the executive to spy domestically as her husband did.

She's also more interventionist than Bill was, and was supposedly instrumental in convincing him to intervene in the Balkans. She hasn't learned the lesson that Iraq was a mistake to begin with, and gives the impression that she thinks the war would have been justified if only we could win it. To her credit, Obama has made similar overtures not to seem so "Doveish," but then Obama doesn't have a history of interventionism and originally opposed giving the administration the authority to go to war.

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This poll is missing Al Gore.

Gore has already stated that he isn't considering running for President, but that could just be another way to generate buzz. I think that he's trying to use the buzz to sell books and increase demand for his speeches, but we'll have to see. Also I think a Gore ticket would make for an ass presidency.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Did I say most shadiest muthafuckah!?

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It also depends on how you define recent history. I was thinking back as far as the Eisenhower Administration, since that's usually as far as they ever get in High School classes.

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Besides, Hillary isn't the one who committed perjury.

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Looks like you're getting into territory.

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I also don't think that Republican hatred for Obama and Edwards comes anywhere close to the general contempt for Hillary.

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Didn't he come out for blood with Hillary and Obama?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

It's not as if Edwards is the only one promoting Universal Healthcare, either. The Youtube debate practically turned into a pissing match of whose plan was the MOST universal.

I'm also wary of any kind of populist message. The implication always seems to be, "We're taking away the power of these corporations, and giving it to us."

I also can't stand that twang. =/

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As far as the media is concerned she already is president. When polled, Democrats liked Obama's answer for foreign policy more than Clinton's by a significant margin, but you wouldn't know it watching the talking heads yak on about how every time she brings up the "meeting with leaders" question, she wins.

Who's to say Obama would even want to be Vice President? Wouldn't that destroy his career?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well yeah, sure, if he acts in a manner popularly considered not befitting a Vice President, his career won't be destroyed (in the party anyways).

If Democrats want Republican crossover they really should nominate Richardson. Obama has some appeal, but believe me that Edwards is far too populist to appeal to many sectors of the GOP, with the exception of the already confused and fragmented Religious Right.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by BlueMikey

If the Republicans nominate Rudy, the Democrats are going to need some crossover just based on his name alone.

You know, a lot of talking heads are starting to refer to Clinton as the Incumbency Campaign by sheer name recognition.

If the Republicans nominate Rudy (which it looks like they will), would that mean that we'd practically have two incumbency campaigns?

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I think the CBS poll had him around 34%? I don't recall the specific numbers, but he was trouncing Romney.

The idea is that the majority of 24 Percenters are comprised of the Authoritarian Wing, and are looking for a strong man who will be able to push neoconservative intellectualism in the face of adversity, no matter how unmarketable it is in the general election. They need Rudy to be their Il Duce, because he's the only candidate who has the image of being tough on defense, no matter how easily deflated that image is when it comes under scrutiny.

For his part, Rudy really does understand the ideology and can pitch it effectively. The only problem is that nobody outside of the RNC is buying it.

Also the name recognition.

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As I understand it, McCain is perceived as being more crazy on defense. That he gives off this impression of being old and a little feeble.

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