Illegal aliens from Mexico to receive Social Security benefits after only 18 months?

That's a pretty big claim to make, and while I understand that you don't have any sources, we do sort of require sources in thread creation when making claims of this nature. This thread has been closed temporarily until you can find a source. PM me or Styphon once you have one and are ready to edit it into your opening post.

Thread re-opened.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

The simplest solution is to shoot all border jumpers on-sight. They're technically invading this country, but they only want to break our laws and not our spirits, so it's not kosher.

I wouldn't be surprised if this wasn't some Neoconservative conspiracy to destroy the Social Security network from within. It's as good a reason to get rid of the Minimum Wage than ever, I suppose.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Yeah because mass murder is so acceptable.

Right, I must've just imagined the part where they were invading this country en-masse.

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Punish the companies that hire them.

Improbable.

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Punish the people harshly who sell Social Security numbers to them.

Like people who sell SS numbers to anybody for the sake of identity isn't punished harshly (if they're caught).

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Get rid of this stupid Social Security benefits for them.

Not politically sound.

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Get rid of all potentials benefits for them.

The minimum wage.

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Come on, would you want to live in the United States if the police were so corrupt that they can be bought, the wages were fucking terrible and any other social problems they might have?

I was confused for a second here. For a while I thought you weren't talking about America.

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It would also be a good idea to try to work with Mexico to set up a less corrupt government, since we like meddling in other people's affairs. Though I doubt we can do much about corruption when we have plenty of our own. This is just a complicated problem with no easy answer.

No more minimum wage. The only reason they can work in the United States is because the Peso is one of the few currencies so much more monstrously worthless than the Dollar, that they can work below the competitive rate for Americans. Since the legal minimum is the minimum wage, by getting rid of it, they would then have to compete with American workers for wages, unless they were skilled labor, which they aren't.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

That's what you get with Free Trade agreements where one party (us) heavily subsidizes farming.

I personally think a North American Bloc would be a novel idea. Unified free economies between Mexico, the US, and Canada. Open borders everywhere, and citizens from each country can work in the other with no restrictions.

How ya doing, buddy?

Without a legal minimum, employers who pay their workers minimum wage would have to compete with each other in order to attract labor. Let's say there's a small town where every resturaunt pays their workers the same relative wage. In order to compete with these resturaunts in labor, an entrepreneur starting a new resturaunt offers to pay his employees maybe a dollar or two more an hour than his competitors. This encourages the workers in the current joints to seek jobs at his own establishment, which avoids having to train a completely new staff from scratch. If the resturaunts that already exist want to keep their workers instead of having to train their new ones, they would have to raise the pay of their workers, or offer other incentives like health plans in the case of large franchises.

In any case, the pay gravitates towards how much wealth is being generated by the workers. As it is, with a minimum standard, in many cases employers are either forced to pay more than their labor is worth, which hurts overall employment, or they're paying their labor worth less because there is a national standard for unskilled labor that neophytes will easily accept.

In many cases, the jobs that illegals perform are jobs that Americans absolutely can't do, because the value of their labor doesn't even come close to justifying paying them a minimum wage. They're jobs that Americans legally cannot do. If there was no minimum wage, then the illegals would have to compete with those jobs with the Americans that need them most, being high school and college students, retirees, and national minorities (American blacks, hispanics, etc.,). Would the contractors rebuilding New Orleans have used illegal labor if the unemployed blacks in New Orleans could work for the same rates?

Here's something any doubters should consider about the political nature of minimum wage:

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http://www.mises.org/story/2377

Last year Wal-Mart called for an increase in the minimum wage in spite of research on how the minimum wage affects labor markets. This might benefit Wal-Mart for a couple of reasons.

First, Wal-Mart wages are well above the federal minimum, but an increase in the minimum wage would reduce potential competition. This would make it effectively illegal for some people to compete with Wal-Mart.

Second, an increase in the minimum wage would benefit some low-income workers and hurt others; regardless, it might increase demand for Wal-Mart's goods.

I was speaking idiomatically.