Revolution or Evolution?

For everyone's sake, and for the sake of keeping the console forums a nicer place (as well as post stuff RELEVENT TO WHAT THE THREAD IS ABOUT), everyone can vent their anger out here. Well, not anger, but their point of view. Does this coming gaming generation need a revolution? Or is an evolution just enough?

Don't get what I mean?

Nintendo states that these days graphics aren't enough. They came up with the Revolution control and the DS to reinstate their point. Sony and Microsoft want gamers to experience a gaming world so real, so advanced that the amount of power within their consoles could emulate a game about Life. Is this a revolution in this sort of sense? Is the Revolution just an evolution of the DS/GBA-GCN connectivity?

Do we need better graphics, physics and AI? Or do we need new approaches in our gaming life?

Discuss discuss.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by guyinrubbersuit

We don't need better graphics. What we need is better game design. Gameplay wise, there aren't many next generation games that feature many things that can't be done in this generation. I hope the Revolution opens up need gameplay ideas as the DS did, though I bet the lack of hardware power will bite them in the ass.

But (I'm only speaking from what I know) with PS3 and Xbox360 having more power they can probably have the ability to extend already existing genres.

But I agree with what you are saying. Do we really need all that extra power to essentially play an Xbox/PS2 game with supped up graphics? Do we really need AI to blur the lines of computer AI to humans?

And with Revo having roughly two times the power of the GCN there's no reason why Revo games will look bad. Sure against the other two it'll look shoddy... But it's good enough (or is it?).

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by horlique

I think Revolution will open up new gaming ideas, as Nintendo already showcased that in the trailer for their next-gen console. The idea behind the controller is a bold one, but I think ultimately Revolution will not fair as well compared to PS3 or X360. The lack of a solid gaming library will be a big problem (look at the DS) as well traditional gamers will not likely be able to adapt to the new form of gameplay proposed by Nintendo. Look at the sales figure for PSP, the mini behemoth apparently generated US1.6 billion in 2005, and that was more than X360 and DS combined.

Anyway, back to the topic, it's true that graphics are not enough to determind the success or failure of a game/console. Clever marketing is key, as well as combining as many functions as possible into the console.

PSP = music, movie, gaming = huge success
iPod = music, movie, pictures = mega success

It's the same idea of a cellphone packed with music function and 3.0mega pixel camera; do we really need all of them in the phone? Not particularly, but it just gives bragging rights. Maybe if the Revolution incoprates all of these functions into itself, and bombard the media with commercials and publicity stunts, Nintendo *might* be able to come back on top as king of all consoles.

My two cents.

Well this thread ain't only about Nintendo. I'd like to hear whether people want a revolution or just an evolution.

DS lacks a solid library of games? I don't know about that one. Have you seen the games on the DS? As for the PSP sales figures, really? I've been told the DS was selling better due to them attracting new gamers. Anyone know the actual scenario?

If the DS was any example, I think the world is ready for a Revolution. But will they want it more than an Evolution?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

-_-'' MY THREAD!!!!!!!

(gee a 6hr sleep and this thread goes from 1 to 3 pages... two pages worth of off-topic stuff)

I suppose if I were to make something decent out of all this hoopla, it would seem people here would want a revolution. Elixir seems to be tired off all these "Mario Evolutions" (the evolution of the soccer genre because of Mario etc.), wanting some kind of Mario revolution. Isn't that good, Nintendo faboys?

Who here wouldn't mind just a visual upgrade (and advanced gameplay/physics engines)?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by StarmanDX

As far as advanced gameplay goes, that's what we'll be getting with Revolution.

More enemies on screen/better AI would certainly be nice to have, but as far as physics go the Source Engine is more than capable, and that ran on Xbox.

But that would've stretched Xbox, wouldn't it? Resi 4 on GCN stretched the machine's power (some sections I've played had minor frame rate issues) so would the Revolution benefited from more from more power?

I personally would like a revolution because ever since the current generation of gaming consoles I've become more of a casual gamer than anything. I feel like I've been playing more of the same thing over and over again. And if the only big thing last generation was online gaming, what for now? The DS brought back the gamer side of me, though, with the new interface and the concept of playing games from another perspective.

Alternatively, I could argue that we don't need it, since there's still a potential market for conventional gaming. There is still a large amount of non-gamers out there who may have missed out on gaming and with the introduction of more sophisticated graphics, physics and AI, gaming wouldn't be seen as nerdy (therefore allowing new consumers to enter the gaming world). Ya, I know, the Playstation broke that sterotype but PS3 and Xbox360 may open that realm further.

I was speaking idiomatically.

So you'd prefer a revolution than just evolution? (In desperation of avoiding this thread's closure -_-')

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

THANK YOU CETRA!!! Now would everyone stop with this "Mario milking thing" and get on with the topic. If you REALLY want then go to the Milking Thread I'm about to make. PLZZZ.

FELIPE NO

A little thread revival here ^_^.

I know it's IGN but this discussion was creepily how I felt this thread should have gone. Hopefully this will keep the thread on track.

http://revolution.ign.com/articles/704/704644p1.html
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/704/704644p2.html
http://revolution.ign.com/articles/704/704644p3.html

Does this gaming industry need an evolution or do Wii need a revolution (hooray for Wii and the potential for puns!!!)?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?