The Hip Hop/Rap Thread

Reading through this thread I'm surprised more of you haven't taken the initiative and uploaded more albums to the Music Exposure Club. Hip hop (and by that, I mean GOOD hip hop) is becoming a lesser distributed media and most of you are actually putting forth quite some thought into differentiating it from its mainstream media whore of a sister.

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Why do you so fervently choose to dismiss any artist in favor of video game music? And why are we morons for pointing this out?

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s if songs of the calibur you mentioned could ever outdo the trance of Parasite Eve

Caliber... That's CALIBER.

Alice was right... Drugs and videogames DO kill your brain.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

So um... You were a victim of VGM plagiarism, I take it?

I'm sorry, son. We don't have a support group for that here.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

What part of "no support group for that here" don't you understand?

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But in what way is VGM the end all, be all of music for you? Do you not realize how CLOSE-MINDED that is?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Omega Weapon

...if you don't like Shadow Hearts, then you're really the closed minded ones.

OK... Let's see if we can figure something out here. You have sat there typing out fallacy after fallacy and when I called you closed-minded, the best retort you could come up with was a sentence that pretty much corroborated that?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Well, it's not such an EXTREME degree of comparison. My complaint isn't coming from the angle that it's an invalid comparison. My complaint is that the angle only plays from that angle relentlessly and is downright narrow-minded.

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Originally Posted by Omega Weapon

...I'm not closed minded musically because you don't know the difference between the white noise of mainstream anti-music with timbre in it and the real music of VGM and the classical and new age composers who've already destroyed the competition aesthetically. Have fun debating your id, Encephalon.

I haven't seen this much hot air since The Alabama Jubilee.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

The real reason why people aren't open to underground hip-hop is because 98 percent of 'underground' rappers don't know how to make hot songs.

Now; enlighten me if you will, "Flowman", what exactly constitutes a "hot song"?

Double Post:

Originally Posted by Capo

Seriously, you seem to be infatuated with the mainstream trend of re-using old beats over, and over, and over again.

You seem to be missing the point here Capo. Last I heard, recycling 70's and 80's songs into "HOT BEATS" and "SCREWTAPES" was the crux of rap music.

YOU DON"T KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT. LEAVE THE THREAD FOREVER.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I've heard this rant from you on many occassions, but it all comes down to this: When you have to adapt your "game" to appeal to wider audiences you fail to see that the masses are fucking morons.

Plus, you really make it a point to make it sound like the underground is a bad place to be. Why?

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

Music is a business. I don't have time to play around and see how many multisyllablic rhyme schemes I can put together. I'm out to make music that people will enjoy and are willing to purchase. Most of these cats in the underground are just playing around. If they were serious, they'd stop making that bullshit.

I remember a time when people made music because it was about the music. Hip-hop became the cash-whore that it is because of cats like you, plain and simple. It's a business, yes; but it doesn't make it a soul-swap meet.

I mean, did it ever occur to you that maybe personal integrity and making music for the few fans that they have was more important to an artist than peddling monotonous styles to the masses because "yo braoh... dats what dem niggas wanna hear."?

Your dislike of Immortal Technique, well, that's your thing I guess. But to the rest of us who actually dig his music he seemed to manage his messages with his beats just fine. But that's just me.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

I am of the belief that you can still produce commercially-viable music without dumbing yourself down and the success me and my labelmates are having with a major label at this very moment is proof of it.

And yet, the artists who you quote as having this pontifical lyrical prowess can't stop rapping about woodgrain, spinners and premium gasoline.

How ya doing, buddy?

The label releases singles which they think are marketable, yes. I mean, you're all here to make money, right? You said so yourself.

However, they are defined by what songs they write. Now, call me crazy here but, when the lobotomized subject material is "what dem niggas wanna hear" that's exactly what the artists write and that's exactly what the label is going to put out.

But maybe, just maybe, there's a tiny little group of people who are tired of the mainstream for this reason and thus have turned to far more intelligent wit, song writing and unique beat producing.

Guess which group I'm in?

I was speaking idiomatically.

"Still Ain't Forgave Myself" is a pretty good song on the lyrics side, I'll admit. "Think I'm Crazy" is a bit different subject matter but still a pretty good song as well. Still, that still doesn't deter the fact that there are plenty more underground artists who can convey a human feeling far better than any of your acquaintances.

You want proof? Go listen to The Coup again. I'm sure you've heard them and I'm sure you think they're whack, but I'll never forget the first time I heard "Me and Jesus The Pimp In a '79 Granada".

And you know what the kicker is? They didn't have to sell out for me to hear that single.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Fair enough to me, I guess. But I still think that the audiences have a lot more to do with it than anything. If the audiences had good taste in music we'd both be singing completely different tunes.

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

T.I. is one of the sickest in the game with it.

Sometimes I wonder if you do this just to spite us or you're actually autistic.

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

What I eat doesn't make you shit.

Yeah, but since you lack of sense of smell, you can't notice that your shit stank up the joint.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Aesop Rock holds far more integrity as a lyricist and artist than half of the tripe you panhandle for so religiously, so spare me the lobotomy.

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

Oh, I understand his lyrics just fine - they're just so needlessly abstract that I don't find them enjoyable to listen to.

You see, your ability to absorb the lyrics is directly proportional to understand why they're so abstract. If you don't find them enjoyable to listen to on THAT premise, then there's a fatal flaw in your personality.

Now, if I may be allowed a small nod to Aesop with a lyrical pun:

Originally Posted by Aesop Rock

The roof is on fire where snoopy sits right now.
You should have shot yourself in the foot when it was in your mouth.

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Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

T.I. could spit the same shit and I'd be like "....This nigga is trippin'..."

Somehow I get the feeling that your homeslice lacks the opposable thumbs to write lyrics like Aesop, but whatever.

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I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

I mean, I can only laugh when I read your post. I can't even take you seriously anymore. Aesop Rock is a fucking horrible emcee.

You know, I can only laught at your post as well. However, like you said, we can agree to disagree. I have already shut the fuck up; the question is: CAN YOU? :eyebrow:

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Weapon

On another note...I think Aes should get back with L-Dub. Blockhead is cool but his shit gets a bit boring after a while. Encephalon, I'm guessing you have heard the "One Hundred" album by the Controls. Fuck I loved that album. Also till this day Apple Seed is STILL my fav album of his.

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Appleseed is actually my 2nd favorite of Aesop's albums following closely on the heels of Float. That whole production was definitely the most well-hashed even though it was relatively low on "production". I still consider Float to be a superior album.

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

Resume shutting the fuck up.

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But I can't keep myself busy enough
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And I'ma let you think you won


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Sure thing. I posted The Cold Vein in the Music Exposure Club. You can find it here.

You can find a good chunk of good hip hop in there as well. I suggest you nab The Coup as well as that Ozomatli joint. You might like them.

How ya doing, buddy?

I have that too, actually. I'll upload that later on tonight for you.

Jam it back in, in the dark.