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The Pirate Bay files charges against media companies
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Niczo
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Old Sep 23, 2007, 02:43 PM Local time: Sep 23, 2007, 09:43 PM #1 of 72
For either side to argue about who's right isn't gonna solve the problem. Because ofcourse, whenever there's a conflict of interest there's always a problem behind it.

Alot of people don't want to pay for films or music, because they don't need to. And the record companies don't want people to download their stuff for free since it actually costs them to produce it.

In the end, if neither side can work together, both will lose. The record companies will stop supporting artists and selling albums since no one buys them, and the "pirates"(or whatever you can call them) wont have anything more to download since there's no new material.

I no longer buy alot of music or movies since it's too expensive. In Sweden, a new realese on DVD can cost almost 30 dollars, and downloading a film is just so much faster and more convenient than renting it. When it comes to music, I guess no one's interested in entire albums anymore. People have a playlist on their mp3, that's it. If you buy an album you have to pay alot for songs you wont listen to anyway, not to mention that ugly plastic box which just sits there on its shelf collecting dust.

Buying songs and movies off the internet is becoming ever more popular. I guess Itunes sets the standard for that industry, even though it does have its flaws. One being that you can only play the music on your Ipod. But I do believe this is the future of the industry, so do many others. When you distribute something over the internet, the costs are minimum because there's no physical distribution. So that reflects on the price you as a customer have to pay as well. You don't get the disc, you don't get the fancy box but you do get the music.

If there was a site where I could get all the music and all the movies I wanted for 99 cents per song, or 5-7 dollars per movie in any format I want and in any quality, I would be a regular customer there. Because I do feel bad about not paying for what others put their money into producing, not simply because I feel sorry for the companies but because if it wasn't for me buying their music, there wouldn't be any music.

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Old Sep 24, 2007, 08:30 AM Local time: Sep 24, 2007, 03:30 PM #2 of 72
You seriously think that if the megalithic music industry players were to just pack up and go home, nobody would put out CDs anymore? You are the REASON CDs cost $15-$20, bucko. Keep swallowing that shit.
As I said, I don't buy CD's or DVD's anymore because they're too expensive.
You obviously don't get my point. What I'm saying is that if there is no demand, there's no supply. It's just a basic economical fact. If people don't buy new music, there is no new music, get it? Call me a slave of the big market beast or whatever but it's the truth.

I don't care a shit about the big record companies, they can all go shove their prices up somewhere. But not paying for music and film, is in the long term unrealistic.

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Old Sep 24, 2007, 11:30 AM Local time: Sep 24, 2007, 06:30 PM #3 of 72
For thousands of years, artists, songwriters and playwrights created songs for entertainment, and in the cases of the Church, Kings, etc., hiring performers and writers and artists under a works-for-hire contract was the exception and not the norm.

The concept of mass produced music that one pays for as a tangible object (Vinyl, CD, etc.,) is a recent invention. The artist creating music for the sake of art or for enjoyment is much older then a desire to gain monetary gain, so If people don't buy new music, then those SELLING new music will discontinue selling, and those who do not see profit as a primary motivation shall continue to make music.
I may have gone too far by saying there wouldn't be any music if people wouldn't buy it. As you say, people have been creating music for as long as the human race has existed. It's basically in our genes. But todays music is to a large extent a commercial product. Most artists wouldn't be known today if it wasnt for the record industry, handing them contracts and advertising their music. People need to earn their living, musicians included. If everyone simply downloaded eveything they wanted it would be a catastrophy for them. No artist can devote their life to music without anything in return. It's a capitalist society we live in, so it's ineviatble. Until that changes, piracy is going to remain a problem. Many underground artists hand out their music over the internet for free, which is great. But most of the time, the reason they do that is because they are hoping people who listen to it will spread the word around that there's a great band out there who need a record contract.

This is my point of view and in your eyes I may be wrong but this is how I see it. I wrote a long school essay on this subject some time ago and my opinions are based on the research I did back then.

And LeHah, great for you that you feel the need to spend all that money on your music interest. I could do that too. But I buy alot of videogames and my music interest probably isn't as big as yours. It's all about priorities.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Sep 24, 2007, 01:12 PM Local time: Sep 24, 2007, 08:12 PM #4 of 72
Oh, so since you can't afford it, stealing is okay!

Unless its to feed a starving family or a general matter of acutal survival, there is never a legit reason for stealing of any type.
Okay, so now I'm being criticized both by those who think piracy is equal to stealing as well as those who think it's perfectly ok?

Wow, now I know I at least accomplished something in my life.

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