The Issue with Attachments

Personally I think we'd do well to shift attachments to another location or FTP since it's unfair to expect the rest of GFF to accept our space requirements when most of us (myself included) don't contribute anywhere else on the site.

I also think the rather holier-than-thou stance adopted by many of those pressing the issue might be putting some people off. Plenty of people here only want to be active in the sheet music and recordings threads, and the fact is the moderating team, especially Face, have given their reasons (numerous times) for not wanting to force a change.

If people without any power here want to try to inspire change, that's all well and good, but I rather feel "Come on this is IMPORTANT why aren't you talking about this you morons?" style threads aren't going to get much done.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Maybe I'm not remembering this correctly, but wasn't there once an announcement about not posting anything that hadn't been specifically requested? Of course sometimes the only way to find new music to play/listen to is to get something you didn't even know existed, but I found that worked well enough when the sheet music community was smaller and there weren't so many attachments all over the place.

There's been a spate recently of people who contribute a LOT - but I mean megabyte after megabyte of unrequested sheet music, musicology texts, and even some things that are pretty worthless (in most circumstances) as posted - violin sonata parts without the piano accompaniment, for example.

While the flood of stuff has been good for those of us in the Concert Hall looking for anything new, the trade-off has been that it all takes up space, and we've hit the sharp edge of that now.

Additionally, Face, if you're still planning on resigning your moderator status, I'm sorry to hear it and I'd like to say thank you for the patience and fairness you've shown in dealing with all the Concert Hall problems.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Traumatized Rat

Listen, JRE started this thread because we're trying to come up with a SOLUTION here. When something is decided, there will be an announcement. Btw, parts are not useless. A violin part for a Sonata is great for a violin part. String players don't care about the piano part while trying to read through heaps of sheet music. That is for the pianist to worry about.

I said 'pretty worthless in most circumstances', not 'totally worthless altogether', and like you say, we're looking for a solution so I'm unsure why you're trying to school me on performance practice. Since I happen to have an MA in music performance the attempt isn't needed or appreciated.

You're part of the problem I had with the attempts to stimulate discussion that were going on before the recent crash, since you'd post in a discussion thread but also add something like 'Keep uninformed and idiotic opinions out of this thread'. I'd imagine there were more than a few cases where people didn't bother posting anything at all since they didn't want you immediately jumping down their throats in an overserious and overcritical manner (like you did just now, as it happens).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Traumatized Rat

*ironic internet-speak, provocation followed by 'this isn't the place for this discussion' etc etc*

Edit: Hey Miles, what about moving sheet music attachments into Private FTPs or maybe integrating the Sheet Music into your VGM db project in some way? I mean if you are going to start removing sheet music attachments, perhaps you should give people a week to acquire everything they want before it is removed?

Whether or not my posting style's different from that of the wider community, I'm just telling you I reckon your posting style prevented discussion rather than inspiring it, that's all. No need to get all personal about it (this really isn't the place for this discussion though, of course) ^_^

Regardless of that, I think your suggested possible-solution of moving the whole shebang offsite is a good one and it seems like the benefits for GFF altogether will be excellent. Ever since the site passed out of Bobo's hands it seems as though it's been run much more for the community as a whole to keep up with all their friends on GFF - and I don't really see what it is we Concert-Hall-only types actually DO for the community rather than hog file space.

As Mersenne pointed out, there ARE negatives, but just for the Concert-Hall-only people and I think we should be prepared to accept those. One thing I would ask about is the legality issue. As it stands, this is GAMINGforce, and obviously plenty of things apart from games get discussed here. It means the Concert Hall is kinda 'hidden' when it comes to people just out looking for sheet music, and given the ever-increasing copyright clampdowns, that's good for us. Setting up a separate site just for sheet music and recordings downloads might be a bit more obvious, but this isn't something I know much about - does anyone have any ideas about this, or is it a non-issue anyway?

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

God, stop being reactionary. No one here is asking for CH to fuck off and never come back. We just want them to learn to use the FTP servers.

To agree with Rat and Mersenne, I don't think those of us defending the idea of a split are being reactionary. If nothing else, I think most of us are aware that floucing off of the site with a cry of 'FINE I'M LEAVING AND TAKING MY FILEZ WITH ME STFU' wouldn't make a blind bit of difference to the community and the upshot would just be US losing out and no-one else

I was speaking idiomatically.