South Park vs Religion

Hey, I'm actually glad that all of this speech oppression happened, because we got 3 damn good SP episodes out of it.

The last three (Super Adventure Club, the 2 Muhammed episodes) have made me laugh and cheer on the SP creators, as they've inserted so many jabs and references that only loyal fans and followers of the latest news stories can understand. They've made fun of themselves, too (last night, a character defended Family Guy, saying something like "I know it's just joke after joke, but I like that. It's better than seeing some preachy cartoon that shoves its message up your ass.")

Shows like this and Wonder Showzen really push the envelope and aren't afraid to take on their opponents full force.

BTW, the comment by that Christian leader in the article just showed that he didn't even watch the episode, he was just told "hey, South Park showed a clip where Jesus shits on the flag and on Bush."

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Originally Posted by Bradylama

Why don't you get off of Trey and Matt's dick before you open your mouth?

Just wanted to say:

Woah, where the fuck did that come from?

I mean, hell, I've only seen around a fifth of all the South Park episodes, but from the stuff I've seen Matt and Trey do, I really support the guys (similar political beliefs). Isn't that what this discussion is about? Suddenly since you like something, you're some kind of brown-noser?

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Brady:
Well, you see them as buzz words, since they are overused by shows that don't deserve such recognition.

However, I think South Park and Wonder Showzen actually DO "push the envelope" in terms of content and not caring about angry letters.

Originally Posted by Skexis

A freedom is not an obligation, nor should it be.
Choosing not to show images of Muhammad for perfectly legitimate reasons is not a violation of free speech, nor is it abandoning it. It is deferring that right in light of extreme circumstances.

One of the worst things you can do in order to encourage reform is to start some kind of personal crusade.

"Why can't we show pictures of Muhammad?"
"Well, we consider it an imperfect representation of the prophet, and...actually, it's easier if I say 'just because.'"
"That's stupid! You're stupid! We're going to do it anyways!"
"Uh...why?"
"Just because!"

Well, let's see. The Denmark cartoons represented Muhammed in a few different ways in order to criticize certain elements of Muslim fundamentalist society. That had a purpose.

The South Park representation had two reasons. The "fluff" reason was to make fun of how Family Guy simply puts anyone in their flashback jokes. The second was to prove that even when simply represented standing around in a scene, Muhammed would be censored out.

I thought the American mindset was "if you don't like it, don't watch it." Any other topic we bring up, people generally say, "well, I don't agree with what he's painting/saying/doing, but I will defend his right to say it." Isn't that why we let the KKK hold rallies?

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BTW, just as some additional info...

Muhammed was visually shown in another South Park episode (the one with the religious Super Friends), so it's not like we haven't seen his image on the show before.

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Well, if anything, this controversy made for a great group of episodes, while ones that don't raise important issues (the crappy ass Towlie episode that was just on last night) sometimes suck major balls.

Were the main characters even in last night's episode? Geez, it was just one long gag about Oprah's vagina/asshole talking in a rough British accent.

I was speaking idiomatically.