[Movie] LOST

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Incidentally, I think the most recent episode really clears up a lot of shit for us. We know what that glass eye was for back in the Arrow. We know Mr. Friendly is clean-shaven, and we know they're performing some kinds of fucked -up experiments. We KNOW there really IS a virus, and I hear suspicions that

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Sun

is the person to come down with it first.

-Glass eye still unknown.
-Right, Mr. Friendly is clean-shaven.
-Right, they're performing experiments.
-We still don't know if there's a virus. All we have is Russou's word and the "others" think there's one. The baby didn't have anything other than a standard fever and rash.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Also, helllllo Alex. I had some questions regarding her. She didn't seem like she was too gung-ho about the experiments that Dharma were performing. She was obviously working against them. I figured she would be brainswashed entirely by them, considering she was RAISED by them.

Hmm. That is pretty dumb of the writers. If anything, she would be the most "other" of them. I mean, people don't just develop values held by culture B when they've been raised in culture A.

The only other explanation would be that the "others" aren't human or something like that, so raising a normal person in their ranks wouldn't affect them too much.

I dunno, the show's getting sloppy now, with so many mysteries and unanswered/semi-answered questions overlapping each other and forgotten about. That's EXACTLY what happened to Alias.

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Originally Posted by Aardark

Unnecessary in what sense? They don't just put in breaks for kicks; time is needed to shoot new episodes.

So 24 can make it on time every week (sometimes more than 1 episode per night!), but Lost can't? Sometimes Lost doesn't even have every major character in an episode, so the cast doesn't always need to be available. The only problem I can see is "weather" in Hawaii.

I hold other shows to 24's standard. Few can compare.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by quazi

Family guy basically does the same thing as do a bunch of other shows on FOX. Of course that's why good shows on that network get cancelled.

Well, it's a bit different with Family Guy. There's no continunity, no cliffhangers, and you can easily watch reruns and still find enjoyment.

I can't really watch a rerun of Lost without getting bored.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Talbain

From personal experience, this is a show that I have to watch in sequence, and then it is watchable. It is far too serialized to watch piece-by-piece.

Plus I think part of the reason we can't watch reruns is some internal drive to see the next part. Going back over old stuff and taking you out of the roll of new shows you've been seeing is almost like taking steps back from the current storylines.

Yeah, the only episodes I can actually sit down and watch are my DVDs from the first season, since it was SO LONG AGO.

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Originally Posted by rockthepartay

I was just thinking this the other day. The producers say that the show can last for another 5 years, but I don't see how this show can stay interesting after 5 seasons.

If this show wants to remain interesting, most of the questions that we have about the purpose/history of the island and the Hanso foundation should be revealed by the end of the third season.

Because, seriously, nobody is going to continue watching for that much longer without knowing what exactly the island is.

At the end of Season 1, I had wanted the cast to find a whole city underneath the bunker door.

I wanted each Season to be set in a different location.

For example:
S1 -> Island surface
S2 -> Island underground
S3 -> Military facility / Prison
S4 -> Back home, then back to the Island?

You know, something to keep the seasons DIFFERENT. Right now, if you compare a clip from Season 2 and Season 1, it's pretty much indistinguishable (excluding dead/new characters or plot points like the bunker).

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Nah.

I think it's just the writers/crew being lazy and not knowing what the monster was supposed to be. At first, it was revealed from some rough drafts that it was going to be a... um... I forgot the name, but it's some mythical beast that has tentacles and tons of legs and all that crap. I remember there was a link to some history about that kind of creature.

Anyhow, then people started theorizing and the writers probably got stuck, realizing that they had to make something different, resulting in this boring, cliche nanomachine cloud. I MEAN FREAKING NANOMACHINES, IT'S THE OLDEST TRICK IN THE SCI-FI BOOK.

The theory that there are 2 monsters is just like the theory that there were two groups of "others." There aren't. It's too complicated and not easily spelled out from the beginning. Same with the criticisms about the "modern" washer/dryer. It's just a goof-up by the set designers.

I agree that the creators of Lost go out of their way to put in subliminal clues sometimes (like the numbers everywhere and the logo on the shark), but some theories by fans get soooo complicated that there's no way in hell it could be intended by the writers.

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That episode was adequate, but I'm really starting to hate the show in general.

I just can't enjoy Lost anymore. Some kind of spark is missing, and everything's "bleh" and predictable. Every character is starting to become annoying (besides the Koreans) and even I knew from the beginning that Henry's map was just a way to get Ana Lucia's group ambushed. Anyone feel the same as I do?

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Eleo

My guess is that by 4/26 it'll be a consistent run up until the season finale? Who knows.

On an unrelated note, this is floating around the web and no one can completely verify or discredit its authenticity. IMO what kills it for me is the lack of a tiny model of the station's computer. You'll all have your reasons against from the first viewing, here are the reasons for.

I think it's just a really well-made fan video.

The actor was pretty amaturish (at least I recognized the asian guy from other things), and the mic recording wasn't the same kind of quality. Not to mention they didn't film anything other than in that little room (the first video showed some B-Roll of the project).

Just something to start rumors or generate hype.

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Originally Posted by Eleo

I also have been thinking lately that Anthony is Sawyer's father, making Locke and Sawyer brothers (but I could easily imagine by different mothers).

How would that work, though?

"Sawyer" was the guy who conned James's mother and caused his father to kill her, I thought.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by striped phantom

Additional map links..
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/c/c7/EWBlastDoorMap.jpg
http://www.lostpedia.com/images/1/1d/Magazine_map.jpg

That magazine says "AH" is Alvar Hanso, which makes sense. Then it questions what MDG is. M. DeGroot, anyone?

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Originally Posted by SOLDIER

Actually, just because all the secrets of the island are revealed doesn't mean the show should end. They could always focus on the survival aspect of the show. Even if they know what's going on, they still need to find a way off the island.

That's just Gilligan's Island.

And from the beginning, J.J. Abrams was avoiding that.

In terms of figuring out the plot, I think we kinda all know what it's about.

Something with Alvar Hanso sponsoring the DeGroots, making this scientific compound on an island. Lots of electro-magnetic power, a security system monster of black cloud, bunch of "others" with a mission...

We know the framework of what's going to be revealed, we just don't know the purpose behind it. Could be preparation for a worldwide epidemic/war, could be random experiments, etc... Since all we're waiting for is this "purpose" to be revealed, a lot of the mystery and tension is gone from the series. It's grounded a lot more in reality and less with the "mysticism" that the island once had.

Ultimately, this Hurley episode was to poke fun at the lame cliche twist of "the entire show/movie is all in one character's dream." It's essentially the worst blunder you can pull as a writer, unless it's masterfully pulled off (see "Occurence at Owl Creek Bridge" or "Jacob's Ladder". Bad examples are St. Elsewhere's ending and the season of Dallas that ended up being just a dream).

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by CloudNine

Ugh, unsuccesful completion of a surgery is far from murder.

Well, you can also add that he decided to operate on his future fiance instead of Shanon's dad (who then died).

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Originally Posted by Morrigan

Libby will probably die, but slowly. They don't have the means to treat such a serious wound, Sawyer nearly died from his. Libby will probably have a tearful end telling Hurley she was in the hospital with him or something.

I don't think so.

Otherwise, she would say, "MICHAEL SHOT ME, GUYS!"

That's not gonna happen.

If they pull a "ughh... how did I end up on the floor with 2 bullet wounds... I can't remember anything" I'm going to fucking punch J.J. Abrams in the face.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

Also, I love how Sawyer is all "Awwww, Kate. Don't cry." I smiled while that bitch Libby died.

I just don't like how they stopped a storyline halfway through.

Unless Hurley realizes by himself in a future episode that Libby was from his psych hospital, it just kinda fizzles out.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

The reason we hate this show is because none of the characters act like normal people (a.k.a. people with functioning brains).

Everyone keeps everything they see a secret, they never ask "gee, I wonder why that happened," and we're bogged down with macho UGG UGG crap from the leading males.

These flashbacks are barely interesting, to boot. They're almost all filler. Plus, any character development we got in Season 1 is just torn down in Season 2, making all of the characters (except for maybe the Koreans) unlikable.

FELIPE NO

Um, why do "The Nine" and "Six Degrees" sound so similar, just with different numbers of cast members?

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Well, this is where it gets a little more annoying.

Michael could have just told Jack, Locke, and everyone else about the "agreement" that the Others told him to do.

He didn't have to fucking kill two people. I mean, the regulars were prepared enough already to swap hostages as well as storm the Others' camp.

However, despite what ABC says, I really think the writers needed to find a way to kill off Ana and Libby because of their drunk driving charges, and that's why Michael had to shoot em.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Where exactly did Charlie get that "vaccine" anyway?

Not to mention that it's some freaky shit that Claire should be afraid of. I mean, would any normal person go "Oh, some weird unknown chemical. Let's inject it into myself and my baby."

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Originally Posted by NES Oldskooler

I'm surprised by all the negative comments about the season so far. I mean it's not as good as the first of course, but it's not nearly as bad as most of you are making it seem. Having to wait for a week in between every episode is probably ramping up your expectations too high, so you all end up disappointed.

It's easy for you to say when you watched it all in one go.

Like you said, when you have to wait AT LEAST a week (remember, sometimes they'd throw in 2/3 week breaks), it becomes UNBEARABLE to follow. I don't even have any expectations for the episodes, other than "push the plot forward." Filler episodes are okay if there is a low enough ratio of them.

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Well, based on the trailer for next week's finale...:

Looks like they'll find where all those message tubes go. There was a pile of them behind them in one shot.

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Originally Posted by Kishin

The first roaring one at night wasn't the monster whatever, it was the island's (or someone's) defence mechanism, i.e. a robot, which was later examined in the Season 1 finale.

The Foggy (non-sound-making) monster is a whole different being. And a boring one at that. It's been guiding Eko through his sleep now for a few episodes, I think, so it's not completely gone.

Um...

They never explicitly said that there were 2 monsters. I dunno what part of the Season 1 finale you saw that "explained" that the roaring monster is a robot and different from the fog monster. The fog monster was also seen when it tried to grab Locke down a hole and they blew it up with some dynamite.

Originally Posted by Eleo

You know, Walt isn't as huge as I thought he would be. I thought they were hiding him because of his growth spurt, but I didn't really notice it. I'm sure if there were a side-by-side comparison it'd be obvious, but I didn't really notice it by just looking at him. His voice hasn't changed either.

I'm no expert, but I feel that they tweaked his voice audio a bit (higher pitched) so that he still sounds like a kid.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by From that article

Either way, there are plenty of possibilities for a LOST videogame...

No.

No there aren't.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Kishin

Maybe it's a space station complex, that's just a huge bubble of ocean floating in space with fake always sunny sky with completely random and meteorologically illogical rainstorms. The thought gives me shivers.

I really don't think that's what's happening. It's been done in other movies/shows.

Just take Truman Show + Dark City and there you go. I saw an Outer Limits episode where a town was teleported (buildings and ground and all) onto an alien planet in a giant bubble.

It's played out.

FELIPE NO

The main problem is that in Season 2, Charlie... um... kinda went nuts.

I don't even know what he's thinking anymore. With Season 1, he developed, "got over" his drug addiction, and was pairing off with Claire (even though I thought the "peenut buttah" scenes were gag-inducing).

Season 2, he starts back with the drugs, starts seeing weird shit and messing around with Claire's baby, knocks out Sun, hangs around with Eko because he's mentally unstable and for some reason REALLLLLY wants to build a church, and now is taking the "vaccine" and giving it to Claire. Plus, in the last episode he was all like "wha, nothing happened in the hatch, lol. You're silly." He's not a character that the audience can relate to.

He's just another one of the unlikable characters of Lost.

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Originally Posted by rockthepartay

I guess what I liked the most about this episode was that the characters were actually entertaining and not taking shit from the Others. With Jack teasing Juliet about him being a repo man and Sawyer's figuring out the cage, it just seemed like they are finally acting the way they should in a tense situation.

Plus, I enjoyed how Kate actually had that fragile look on her face and not the "tough chick" type persona that has been shoved down our throats.

Jack, Sawyer, and Kate were finally likable again, and that is a huge plus with me. The dialogue was really well-written and we can at last connect with the characters.

Ok.

Take everything you just said and reverse it.

That's how I felt about this episode.

Others: We are talking calmly.
JACK: UGG UGG FUCK YOU UGG UGG
Others: Um, let's just talk.
JACK: {foams at mouth} WHERE'S KATE AND SAWYER YOU BASTARDS!
DON'T TELL ME ANYTHING USEFUL, AND I'M NOT GOING TO TRY TO CALMLY REASON WITH YOU!! UGG UGG

Lost is about stringing along its viewers without showing them anything of any importance, instead making its characters angrily shout things at each other in a primitive show of power.

Plus, flashbacks suck ass now. I think we've scraped the bottom of the barrel for almost all of the main characters.

Jam it back in, in the dark.