[Movie] L O S T [possible spoilers]

Originally Posted by striped phantom

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But didn't Richard take young Ben to be healed at the Temple, where the Black Smoke monster lives? I thought Richard was on the same side as Jacob.

Wellllll...

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...I thought he was on Jacob's side as well (receiving orders, lists from him, and whatnot), but I remembered that Richard told Locke that he must die to bring the others back. If having Locke die was the Rival's loophole, then how else would Richard have known about that detail without contacting the Rival directly? Maybe Richard is a double-agent type? Also, if Richard is in cahoots with Rival, maybe they decided from the moment Smokey saved Ben that Ben would built up to be this "Leader" and eventually coaxed into killing Jacob as an adult. Perhaps Rival/Smokey had this plan mapped out since the 70's? Maybe Jacob never saw Ben because the "Leader Position" was just made-up by Richard for controlling purposes (Rival/Locke: "You seem to be making up all of these rules now" & Jacob: "You? What about you?") But then again, Rival/Locke seemed to be giving Richard lots of trouble while traveling to Jacob's new home, so they're both either putting on a show OR don't actually have an alliance. Goddammit.

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf8889

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when was this? Isn't the only time he said that when not-Locke instructed him to say it?

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Ack! I neglected the fact that Locke was in actuality "Nocke" (Not-Locke) for practically the entire season now...

But I wonder... I'm trying to wrap my head around the reason why Nocke instructed Richard to tell Locke he must die. I mean, Nocke is already standing there, on the island, under the disguise of Locke so... maybe he has to continuously keep this one big loop intact? (Although, the time jumps are pretty much over now...)

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Originally Posted by Timberwolf8889

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Because Nocke had to set in motion the series of events that would get Locke killed, so he could use his body (or so my theory is) or at the least I agree with that theory.

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Do the events that already happened and the events that are being set into motion overlap to a point (Cause and Effect co-exist due to time jumps)? What I mean is, standing there at that moment was Richard, Nocke, and Ben. From what I remember, Ben had already killed Locke off-island at this point (he even tells Richard this right after injured Locke time jumps out of their sight), yet Nocke is just beginning to set that chain into motion during that point, simultaneously.

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