[General Discussion] Sonic turned 15

Am I going to have to be the one to bring some hope and life into this thread? I guess I will, since you 16-bit lovers won't.



This is how we all know how the blue blur started. Good times, right?



By far the BEST of the Sonic games on the Genesis. You still love this Genesis stuff, right people?



Oh noes! It's Sonic from the Dreamcast! Run...run back to your Genesis consoles! Seriously, WTF is wrong with this?!



What's wrong with this one?



Or hell, even this one? What's wrong with it?

The fact of the matter is, most of you (if not all of you) see Sonic as already "dead and buried" since there hasn't been a "good Sonic game" since the Genesis. On the contrary, there have been good Sonic games since that time.
1999 - Sonic Adventure
2001 - Sonic Adventure 2
2004 - Sonic Heroes (not as good as the Adventure series but still good).
2005 - Sonic Rush



Looks like he's still going to me. Happy 15th birthday Sonic! You've been alive since I was 6.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Elixir

Oh, brother. And now people are comin' in here, actin' all pro sayin' Sonic Heroes was actually a good game. Some saving you did for the thread. ;_;

Oh well, at least the 2D Sonic titles haven't been ruled out completely. Now that Yuji Naka has left Sega I really don't know what to expect next, although he was only useful for Panzer Dragoon, really. I sure as hell don't expect another 2D title on a console, but I am enjoying Sonic Rush, and I will probably enjoy Sonic Rush 2 as well.

The same applies with Sonic. It's a shame, really, but almost all games which have transformed from 2D into 3D have failed terribly. Sonic, Contra, Castlevania, Toejam and Earl, Dizzy, X-men -- they're still decent games, but nothing compared to what it was like with 2D.

It just seemed like everyone was in the same depressed mood about Sonic being dead. It could've been worse man...I could've said Shadow the Hedgehog was good (well, the theme song and probably the whole soundtrack was but the the game itself wasn't). He didn't fail on 3d, I thought it was very successful with the Adventure series.

Originally Posted by Elixir

But this situation is like Chrono Trigger. If they did do a remake, everyone would bitch that it fails in comparison to the original. No matter how good it is, people will bitch. People have grown on games so much over the years that if there's a so-called "sequel" to the game, people seem to disregard it due to it not living up to the original's reputation. Chrono Cross, specifically, did this.

So the Sonic the Hedgehog that they're making for the GBA isn't a port of the game, but it's going to be a remake? We'll see how that goes. However I like the comparison between Chrono Trigger and Chrono Cross here...I completely agree.

There probably will be people who prefer the original over the remake. A good example? Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes. While the original from the PS1 was probably preferred, the entire Psycho Mantis area (music, build-up, and fight) completely outdid the PS1 version in my opinion.

Here's a couple of examples for Sonic. Remember when they remade/ported Sonic Adventure 1 and 2 for the Gamecube?

On Sonic Adventure 1, it was done with better graphics, better load times, same music. Now THAT is how you remake a game. Plus they added a mission mode to unlock the Game Gear games (which was frustrating at times because I couldn't even find the missions) and they added a playable character in the Trial section when you collected all the emblems, which was pretty cool that you were finally able to play as that character.

Sonic Adventure 2 on the other hand, was better on the Dreamcast. I noticed they added more of those speed up things on Final Rush (Sonic's last level) and they added more levels to the vs. mode games, plus there was Chao Karate (which I thought was pretty funny). Still, you can't beat the original...being able to play a game that took the Dreamcast's hardware to the extreme and noticing that it slowed down during some of the scenes (up on the ARK for example) just made me realize how special of a game this was. I know it seems weird because I bash Shadow the Hedgehog for the same reason when I bought it for the PS2, but that was because it happened during the gameplay...and I probably shouldn't have bought it for PS2 in the first place.

Yes, like all of you I have my problems with some of the Sonic games. However, I just tend to like some of the 3d ones while everyone else just seems to not like the 3d ones at all.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Grubdog

^ You've got to be joking, are your eyes and brain even fully developed yet.

The 3D Sonics are an absolute joke. I'm sure i've alraedy explained why they suck in about 1 million other sonic threads here over the years, so I wont repeat myself. I've tried to find the fun, but it's just not worth it. Hell, I enjoyed Ty the Tasmanian Tiger about 100 times more than Sonic Adventure 2. Sonic Adventure 2 is the biggest joke of a game of all time. How someone can put the blame on this downfall on anyone but Sega / Sonic Team just flies over my head, blame the kids? What? Sega are the ones shoving this shit down their throat, they don't know any better.

Anyway, as long as I have my Sonic Mega Collection sex-on-a-disc I don't care about the 3D Sonics. Sonic Rush is awesome too, but the music isn't magical like the old ones. It fits the game ok and is sorta catchy, but the original tunes in the Sonic games up til around Sonic & Knuckles are THE best videogame tunes of all time. The visuals, sound and speed make the classic sonics an orgasm to play!

I've never heard of Ty the Tasmanian Tiger before...

Oh come on, how is Sonic Adventure 2 the biggest joke of a game of all time? Is it because of Shadow? I had my doubts about that when the game first came out too, but it turned out to be a good thing. You were able to play as Eggman, and the music was awesome. When the game first came out, it was actually too fast for me to keep up with. Graphics and gameplay were stunning, but what really kept me was the story especially at the end. There was also Sonic's final boss fight against Shadow at the end of the Hero side of the story...that still remains as one of the best boss fights ever. I once just didn't fight him and kept running to see how long the level lasted...I got around 7-10 minutes of doing ring dashing and running, to see that it stopped looping and you started back at the beginning...problem is...the beginning had already fallen.

If you want to talk about the biggest joke of a game of all time...look at games like Shaq-Fu (Genesis/SNES) and Yu Yu Hakusho: Dark Tournament (PS2). Sonic Adventure 2? Far from it my friend.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Sonic Advance 1 was the best out of the Advance series in my opinion. Why? It was the easiest one to find the special stages and get the chaos emeralds in. In Sonic Advance 2, you had to complete the level finding 7 star coins (which got very annoying), and then you would go on to the special stage. If that wasn't bad enough, if you failed in the special stage...guess what? You have to find those damn coins again. What's even worse is, you have to get every chaos emerald with ALL the characters in order to unlock the final story. Sonic Advance 3, I just gave up trying to go for the special stages and just went through beating the game. I don't want to look for 10 chao in 3 different levels. At least in Sonic Advance 1, all you had to do was find a spring and you could go to the level.

I think that's why I liked Rush more than Sonic Advance 2 and 3. It was easy to get to the special stages, plus if you screwed up...you could do it more than once if your bar was high enough.

On to the music in the Advance series. It's not as memorable as the music on the home consoles but I'll point out some that are worth mentioning.

Sonic Advance: Secret Base Act 2, Egg Rocket Zone (this is one of the best songs out of the entire Advance series), Special Stage, X-Zone, X-Zone final boss.

Sonic Advance 2: Leaf Forest Act 1, Techno Base Act 1, Egg Utopia Act 1, and Act 2, Extra Zone

Sonic Advance 3: Boss

The Sunset Hill music from Advance 3 didn't impress me much. I dunno, there was just something about all four variations of it that didn't sound right. Nice try on using the Green Hill music, but it just didn't work there.

I can't really say a whole lot about Sonic Advance 3 tho, because I've only beaten the game. I didn't collect all the Chaos Emeralds (in fact, I didn't even get one) so I can't make any final verdicts on it. So far, the best one in the series had to be Advance 1.

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I never really saw the old Sonic as having a surfer attitude. In fact, he kinda imitated/mocked it a few times in AoSTH.

Furby, when you're talking about the first few games, do you mean the Adventure series?

I was speaking idiomatically.

Not only the storyline but Sonic games continue to have really good music...even if the games turn out to not be that great. (Ex: Shadow the Hedgehog).

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?