[Rant] Face it people. None of the Mana games are any good.

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Also the fact that you even bother comparing Zelda games with Secret of Mana means you have absolutely no idea what you're saying. This is something Total! magazine and its ilk did back in the days, when the viewpoint defined game genres and when Zelda was considered an action RPG.

To say Link to the Past isn't good today is shooting your whole credibility in the foot, as is saying the same about Secret of Mana.

Certainly, someone who bought a PS2 as their first console because Kingdom Hearts looked nice probably won't get that much out of them, but this will apply to any old game they've never seen or heard about. Anyone who knows anything about appreciating good gaming can tell what wonderful pieces of software they are.

That later Mana titles have not matched the charm of Seiken Densetsu 2 isn't that surprising. Not because they are not identical to SD2, but because each later title has been an elaboration (or a mutation, if you will), an unnecessary attempt to make something different, usually something simpler. People didn't play Mana just because you got to press a button to swing a sword. You didn't play just because you could use a multitap with it (well, some people did, but they are idiots). There was a lot more to it and the later titles seem to have missed this, but not notice since each title has had its fans.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Sarmoti

Just from your sig and avatar set alone gives me enough reason to just ignore you. You just sound like some retarded fanboy who doesn't like to except the fact that there ARE better action adventure games besides Zelda.

It is REALLY hard to take you seriously.

Just a note, the purpose of the opening post isn't to gloat about how good zelda games are. You might notice he's actually disrespecting one of the most beloved titles in the series.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by RABicle

But comon, they are. They're both top down, sword swinging action adventures. Are tehre many other games taht fit this mould? Zelda was item and puzzle based, while Mana was statistics and story based but on a fundamental level they played in a very similar way.

It's true you can simplify and look at it like that, but I still disagree with you in the end. If the focus is different, the game style is different and thus shouldn't be judged by comparing to something it isn't supposed to be in the first place.

Because then the people saying Metroid Prime is a terrible game because they are judging it as an FPS are somehow right. In fact, Metroid Prime is much closer to generic FPS games due to its viewpoint and foreground presence of a weapon, than Mana is to Zelda, but we all know Prime isn't an FPS, nor should be judged as one.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.