China makes capital punishment a breeze

Fjordor's post was the stupidest thing I've ever read.

What bothers me more are the organs harvested from the executed. And I'd rather see a comparison of executions in proportion to population. Everyone knows China has the largest population in the world so it does nothing to say they execute 4 times more criminals. They executed 3400 in 2004, with a population of 1.3 billion. Singapore actually has the highest execution rate per capita if you want to put it that way.

Not to say that China isn't exercising a total abuse of judical power with these death sentences (especially when they do it for crimes like tax fraud and small drug offenses) but it's sounding as if they have roving death Dodge Caravans going from village to village, pumping every other citizen in sight with a chemical cocktail of death.

Oh and you can be put to death if you kill a panda.

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Originally Posted by Fjordor

I personally would rather not leave my life in the hands of the Chinese government.
The real irony is in who is implementing this, rather than what is being implemented itself.

Although, if I had no choice, I am not sure which I would prefer more. The first option enables me to at least experience something I have never had before, and gives me a great deal of stimulation before death.
Also, there is a bit of honor to be had in recieving "a soldier's death."

On the other hand, the injection would be nice, for the obvious reasons.

Did you even read this post?

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I personally would rather not leave my life in the hands of the Chinese government.

No shit.

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The real irony is in who is implementing this, rather than what is being implemented itself.

How is this in any way ironic. Please elaborate.

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Although, if I had no choice, I am not sure which I would prefer more. The first option enables me to at least experience something I have never had before, and gives me a great deal of stimulation before death.

Re-read this to yourself. Please. Aloud. Then tell me you still think it continues to make absolute sense. This is what how I interpreted what you wrote.

I want to get shot so I know what I feels like to be shot because I've never been shot before and then in the end I can be innudated with fervent sensation before I die.

When you get shot, fatally, basically it's lights out. You pray that you don't know what it feels like to be shot and for no stimulation. It's the anticipation that's the worst about a firing squad, not the actual firing.

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Also, there is a bit of honor to be had in recieving "a soldier's death."

Firing squads kill soldiers for desertion, spy activity, muder, rape and mutiny. Nazi officers were executed by firing squad. Very honorable.

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On the other hand, the injection would be nice, for the obvious reasons.

Do you think they just stick a needle in you and you quietly fall asleep while your heart slowly stops? Basically, one drug in the cocktail freezes your muscles and lungs while another drug forces cardiac arrest which leads to your death. So the you basically lie there, unable to move and barely breathe while potassium chloride burns through your veins, lasting in that state for up to 45 minutes, before it reaches your heart and you experience a heart attack, and die.

I like how you keep on calling me a troll.

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Originally Posted by Fjordor

Because the Chinese government, in their official attempt to step up recognition of human rights, are making it easier to take a person's life. Their streamlining of a process to take someone's life is somehow promoting human rights?
Additionally, the Chinese government has never in practice shown any real concern for human rights, except when it might potentially benefit itself.

I hate to break it to you but all governments LIE. I'm sure a large mitigating factor behind mainstreaming lethal injections is for the booming foreign organ trade, not for any concern of human rights, despite what the offical statement is.

The Chinese government is fucked up, sure but that's hardly irony.

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More or less. Why the hell not? At least its something.

I think you missed my second bit.

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Ah, so I'm a bit old-fashioned. So sue me. That doesn't validate your claim that I am somehow stupid. References to the Nazi officers doesn't change a thing. Are you familiar with Seppuku? The purpose of it was for the man who had dishonored himself and his family to regain it by willingly enduring the suffering. In such fashion, his honor is partially restored for his brave deed. Granted this is not exactly an identical situation(the execution is being performed on me, as opposed to by me), but it is the purpose of the execution which matters, not who gets it. Additionally, I was selecting this in the context of the question posed to me, which limited me to two options.

You're right, it's a crappy comparison. First of all you have to consider the wildly different cultures they're coming from. Seppuku resolves the criminal and his family from the crime in the eyes of the culture. Firing squad, does not. Seppuku is an honorable concept because you killed yourself before the enemy gets you. A firing squad happens after the enemy captured you and was sometimes considered honorable BECAUSE it USED to be reserved for more esteemed executions (political heads, military etc.). Only because of that context was it even regarded with respect but firing squads have been used in countries for ages to execute common criminals so the esteem has all but gone to nill.

I don't think you can be old-fashioned, unless you're talking about the early 20th century. No one under 90 is that old fashioned. I can see you using the honor principle but it's a ridiculously highly idealized concept at best.

Why don't we add seppuku as a third option, just for you.

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Ah, well I did not know that. I am a bit skeptical about this, but I'll leave it at that. If this is true, then why is lethal injection promoted as "more humane" than any other methods?

I googled "lethal injection pain" and got 987,000 results, including news stories and medical reports. I don't know how you can really be skeptical, especially when something like pain during a chemically induced death is an abstract concept at best.

And lethal injection is considered more humane because they typically sedate the criminal before injecting them but statistics have showed that more than 40% of all executions in the US contain levels of anesthesia so low that they're practically worthless. It's the flaws that make it less humane than it should be. Also it's a lot less sensational in comparison of being hanged or being shot to death, when in actuality, those deaths may actually be quicker.

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Fjordor, you have a stupidass habit of calling anyone who antagonizes you a troll. If that were true, the entire board would be trolls. It's not anyone else's fault that you're just incredibly lame.

And they don't just use one chemical when administrating a lethal injection. Pancuronium bromide is the anaesthesia part of the combination they use to serve as the overall injection, along with the chemical that knocks you out and the chemical that kills you (potassium chloride)

But again, many prisoners are inadequately sedatedly, so much so that the purposes of the individual chemicals don't even come into effect (except the one that kills you).

I was speaking idiomatically.