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I hated the Incredibles and Pixar has killed the Disney cartoon for me.

I'm sure we all oohed and ahhed when Toy Story dueted but no Pixar movie comes close to the hand drawn classics (Little Mermaid, Beauty and the Beast, Lion King, etc). CGI doesn't really hold a candle to hand painted. At least for me.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Are you saying that hand drawn animation has to be better cause its hand drawn?

It seems like an argument between 2D and 3D than actual comparison between a good movie and a bad movie, The Incredibles was a perfect combo of a super hero flick and a sitcom family movie, and it was original material as well, while Little Mermaid are classics yes, they are still adapdations. And they certainly are classics just cause of the animation, there's other elements that make a good movie, not just by what tools they used to make it, be it pencil or computer.

God I hate it when people judge a game or movie by the way it looks then the actual movie itself. And just cause Disney is more famous doesn't mean all their movies are the best in the animation departement. They certainly haven't done much in the late 90's and early 2000's, instead of relying on Pixar to keep afloat.

Look I never said I hated Pixar because they're doing CGI. The Incredibles had a really awful script, I didn't even care that it was rendered beautifully. What Pixar is doing and what Disney did (hand-drawn) are two different and distinct styles, it's an entirely subjective preference and I just like the style of hand-drawn better. That doesn't mean I won't recognize when a movie is complete shit, Tarzan and Lilo and Stitch were hand drawn and I didn't dig either. I really enjoyed Shrek and that's CGI.

Personally I just don't believe there's been an excellent Disney movie, story and style, since the Lion King. Disney pre-Pixar had a certain charm to it. This might be blinding nostalgia talking about if you watch the movies from that time period (Snow White, Cinderella, etc.) and the movies nowadays, there's just a difference in the style and sentiment about it. It's hard to pinpoint but I believe the stories effect you a different way, even if the actual plot is old and unoriginal, the way they tell it is what's so magical about it.

I just regard Pixar as the shift in focus for Disney to sort of abandon the dream of Walt Disney in favor of what they're doing now. And that spurned the sort of industry wide adoption of CGI as the norm and dumping of hand-drawn, which I thought was unfair when you really can have these two artforms co-existing together.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

Blah blah blah Pixar boner.

You got to stop claiming I hate movies just because of their style. I didn't like the Incredibles because of the super cheesy script, disgustingly predictable plot and whiny, annoying characters. Sure it was a feel-good sunny super-family comedy and I'm sure a bunch of kids and adults loved it, but I wasn't one of them and nothing you can say can change that.

Whether we think a movie (Pixar/Disney or otherwise) is superior than another is our own opnion and I doubt we can change either of our minds about it. You think Pixar is really inventive and imaginative, and I would beg to differ. More resources and capital are being put into, not only Pixar the company, but into technology as a whole so I (note on the word I) feel that there's a decrease in simple, effective storytelling and more WHOA LOOK AT THAT HOW COOL GIANT TURTLE HAHA HE JUST GOT FLUSHED IN A TOILET POTTY HUMOR FART. It's a quick shallow comedic fix for the kids watching without the emotional depth that the older films had.

To be honest, I don't even hate Pixar as much as this thread believes, it's not like I want to go and burn their studios down. I recognize that what's happening in this genre (whatever you want to call it, kid's movies, Disney movies, whatever) was inevitable with the advent of technology, shift of focus in Disney as a company, etc. So I don't fault Pixar necessarily for what has happened beyond their control but they are the company are sparked the flame as well as took the content to a whole other direction. I just don't think their movies are as good as Disney once was, that's what I think and there's no way around that. Their movies, to me, are Hollywood movies, nothing more and nothing less.

Yeah well, maybe in the end I just need more singing. Not nearly enough singing in Pixar films.

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Originally Posted by BlueMikey

You're putting a company up on a pedastal who in, what, 30 years, has had 4 excellent movies and 4-5 very good movies.

I forgot about Hercules and Mulan but I enjoyed those, as well as Oliver and Company and the The Black Cauldron, so again, something subjective. I also liked Robin Hood, The Aristocats, The Rescuers and The Sword In The Stone. I really enjoyed Pocahontas when a lot hated it. Plus Disney pre-Pixar, put out (what I regard) as their best work, Cinderella, Bambi, Dumbo, Fantasia, Snow White, Lady and the Tramp, Alice in Wonderland, I just don't believe Pixar's work comes even close to what these movies were in their time and now.

I wonder in 50 years, if people are still going to watching Cars. I'm sure when I ask most kids these days what the characters were in Monster's Inc or a detailed account of the story, they'd be really hard press to say. For me, Disney cartoons were movies I'd watch 50, 100 times and never get sick of them. I saw Finding Nemo once and didn't really feel possessed to watch it a second time.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

It was a matter of opinion in the beginning. Let's just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

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Originally Posted by Kairi Li

I'm just curious about the reasonings behind your opinions thats all.

You can read my posts over, I think I've covered my bases pretty well but basically I just don't enjoy the plot lines and characters in most of their movies. Like I said, I really believe Pixar generates "Hollywood" films that are more quick fixes than a pieces of art that can survive the long term.

Toy Story is probably their best and I liked Monster's Inc. when I watched it but I just don't regard these films as "great".

Also I hope this isn't an offensive question but I was just wondering if English is your first language. I see you're from Hong Kong.

Originally Posted by Skexis

But not before you get to insult the credibility of anyone who disagrees with you, right?

WHAT.

I was speaking idiomatically.