[Tournament] Winter Olympics - Vancouver 2010 - WHOSE GAME IS IT, BITCHES (Shin has no teeth)

Originally Posted by Devo

Guess I can't be proud of say Misty May and Kerri Walsh for going much farther in Volleyball than I ever could since I'm not fucking them or whatever.

Well, no. You can't.

You can respect them

Or admire them

or idolize them

or fetishize them, in some cases.

But you can't be proud of them, because words mean things.

Nobody's telling you guys that you can't feel the way you do, they're just saying that it's not pride. Pride necessarily involves the self.

If I mow the lawn, I can be proud of how well I mowed the lawn.

If I pay some kid to mow the lawn, I can still (tangentially) be proud of myself for indirectly causing the lawn to be mowed.

If I just show up at home and find that some random samaritan has mowed my lawn, I have nothing to be proud of. However, I can still be happy about the new state of the lawn, and I can admire the excellent job this lawn-mowing stranger has done for me.

It's just grammar, kids. No need to get so butthurt over it because you're not good at it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I'm just not really clear on why "admiration" is a really shitty emotion that we shouldn't admit to feeling, to the point that we have to substitute something else.

This willful ignorance is making it hard for me to be proud of you guys

Originally Posted by Cadillacs

I guess national pride is a myth then.

Nah that's called patriotism and it makes a lot more sense because your nationality legitimately has something to do with you

See, if we use the word "pride" instead of "admiration", then we imply by extension that we DO have something to do with the individual or individuals currently being exalted, and in the bargain seek to exalt ourselves. We cannot simply be happy for a hockey team, for this gains us nothing. We must seek to tie our own individiual identities to said hockey team, and in so doing provide ourselves the illusion that we, too, are exalted.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Yes, pride is a form of admiration. A specific form.

Similarly, all oranges are fruit but not all fruit is in the form of oranges. If you claimed to be eating an orange, and I looked and saw that you were in fact eating a banana, I would rightfully point out that it was not an orange whereupon you would get all indignant for some reason which would be kind of baffling to me

But this entire derail is actually kind of spergy when I look at it so pffft

V I do actually, just not this massive grand-scale bullshit. Sorry for being interested in what things mean?

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I already conceded, you know.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?