Penn and Teller: A Helping Hand

Look, do you think anyone is going to spend half an hour watching a video about some yahoo fifth-rate celebrity's opinions?

Penn Jillette never does anything that isn't one-sided. Don't fool yourself.

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That's true, my opinion that Penn is a smug, manipulative little shit doesn't objectively mean anything. On the other hand, your opinion that he has something to say that any idiot with free time and an agenda couldn't think of for by themselves isn't worth much either.

Gee whiz, the Bible isn't universally true! Holy crap, ALERT THE PRESS

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No, if Teller was smug, that would be watchable.

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Originally Posted by Helloween

Did he take into account that that passage never described what Disobediant was supposed to mean there. My guess, is probably the performing of a sin worthy of death.

In all fairness, with MOST books we assume that the words they use conform to standard meanings. "Disobedient" is a word that has a meaning. That meaning has nothing to do with levels of severity. If you read the word "disobedient" in any other book, you'd know what it meant. Why shouldn't we expect the same level of clarity in a book meant to tell us how to live our lives?

It's entirely possible that the original Hebrew used a word with a greater level of interpretability, but as the modern version of the passage reads it DOES state that the kid should be stoned if he's disobedient, and "disobedience" does indeed carry all the way down to the cookie jar.

Bashing Christianity on the basis of the Old Testament is a little wrongheaded anyway, of course.

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Originally Posted by Free.User

How do you figure?

Well, I look at it like this.

Say there's this awesome band, right? Everyone loves this band, they rock so hard. But it turns out that both the singer and the band's drummer used to be in a different band, and that band SUCKED! The old band is still part of the new band's history in a way, but it sounded nothing like the new band does. However, now people are refusing to buy the new band's albums because they remember how much they hated the old band!

I don't feel like looking up the exact passage, but Christ did basically state something to the effect that his teachings effectively "overwrote" old traditions on the same subjects — and we all know that passage about Christ's attitude toward stone-throwing ("He that is without sin", etc). THEREFORE, it is ridiculous to assert that Christians (People who follow Christ and seek to be Christlike) would see stone-throwing as anything but a historical absurdity. If Christ says "don't do that" then doing it isn't Christian, and bashing Christianity based upon it is stupid.

I was speaking idiomatically.