[Wii] Smash Bros. Brawl

Originally Posted by Omnislash124

I was just playing Double Dragon 3 on the NES, by the way. HARDEST GAME EVER. 3 Hours and did not get past Italy. >.<

Sounds like you would enjoy this taste sensation!

I was speaking idiomatically.

OKAY SHUT UP BRAND NEW SCREENS YOU CUNTRAGS.









There's more at the official site, plus a better-quality version of the new trailer.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It looks kinda like Hyrule. See? There's Lake Hylia...

Of course, it looks pretty simplistic, so I think it might not make it to the final release.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Kanzaki

And you better move Captain or Snake will get Samus. I don't know who is a better couple for Samus, Falcon or Snake?

Oh god shut the fuck up. Please don't drag this thread into the realm of retarded love-interest crossover fanfiction and the idiotic debates that would follow.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

hell yea man sephyroth is puer oewnage!!!!!!!!!!`1 he could fucken KILL mareo and every1 lol hehe!!!

and cloud wud be in it 2 and he wud fuck samus

Jam it back in, in the dark.

*shivers*

Every time I hear "Sora" I have a sinking feeling in my gut that the game is going to turn out like... that monstrosity, becoming an unfun, unplayable yaoi fangirl's wet dream. Pit even looks like he was redesigned by Tetsuya Nomura, for christ's sake. He's the spitting image of Sora, and the fact that Sakurai's new company is called "Sora Ltd." doesn't sit well with me either...

How ya doing, buddy?

I know that. I'm just saying Pit and that queer Sora look like they were both designed by that hackish Nomura guy. Next thing you know Pit'll be going for the ultimate in shitty J-Rock design with zippers, belts and pockets everywhere. Isn't Nomura a genius designer?

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Can we please talk about characters from a developer that isn't so... niche? Square-Enix contributing anything to this game just isn't going to happen, and besides, I hate all their stupid "games".

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by chaofan

Y'know, I think they should have a slot for a your own personal Mii character. There's no sight of any new games that'll feature your Miis.

That would make no sense at all. But it doesn't matter because if a Mii were in the game it would obviously just use its movements from Wii Sports and Wii Play as attacks, no matter if it was one you made or not.

Originally Posted by SuperSonic

After coming off an awesome game (no matter what Gamespot thinks), Sonic really needs to be in there now.

Hell yeah man that game was fucking awesome!!! I love its abysmal, game-destroying glitches and shitty faux-JRPG plot about saving a magic princess and fighting god. Sega obviously realized that beta testing is for faggots and the result is an outstanding, legendary game right up there with Legend of Zelda!!! I mean, going through walls and floors... NO EXPERIENCE CAN BEAT THAT AT ALL!!! This game isn't completely fucking broken and unfinished, no sir!!! What?! What do you mean I'm a fanboy in denial about how shitlousy this game is?!? SCREW YOU, HATER!!!

Sonic is dead to me. I'm sure he is to many others as well, and rightfully so; I am deeply against his being in this game. I mean, Nintendo should have a standard of quality when trying to select characters to put in this game. All the characters in this game come from great, timeless franchises that at their worst, are still marginally decent. Sonic however, appeals to a very niche audience and is marred by an immense number of shit titles staining his brand. It's pathetic, his titles struggle to keep their score above a 3 out of 10, whereas Mario and Zelda titles get, what, 8s at their worst?

Picture this game like a fancy ballroom party with Nintendo as the bouncer. All the high-class superstars from Nintendo's quality game franchises are lovingly ushered in...then this washed-up, psychotic maladroit hedgehog shows up. He reeks of his own excrement and is covered in rum and pubes. And because he's followed by a gigantic torch-wielding lynch mob of his fursuit-clad fans, they should let him in? Think about that. It's not really fair. Why should the other star characters have to sit next to this utter and complete loser? He hasn't had a decent fucking game for the better part of a decade and you should really open your goddamn eyes to that.

The more I think about the less I want Sonic to be in this game. Dear God.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by SuperSonic

Hasn't had a decent game for around a decade? The one that came out on the 360 was much more than just decent. What about the Adventure series? How about the Advance series? What about Sonic Rush, and hell even Sonic Heroes? Ah, it all makes sense now. You're one of those 2-D fanboys that doesn't believe that Sonic can work in 3-D.

I think it's great that you automatically assume that because I'm not a fan of one type of Sonic games, I'm a fan of the other. Right, because everyone's a hardcore Sonic fanboy like you, eh?

Ever since the Genesis days I haven't played a single Sonic game that wasn't a buggy, dull piece of shit. I absolutely hated the Advance series and chances are if I hated them I'll loathe the DS version, so I'm avoiding it like the plague. also find it immensely hilarious that you think "hey if I point out a single flaw in another game, that completely defeats his argument about the game I like being riddled with massive bugs". The reason people aren't giving it a chance is because it's a total trainwreck of a game, and there is no way in hell that it's worth $60.

Chances are you're going to tell me that I need to have played every single one of his games like you obviously have in order to have a valid opinion, right? I played it at my cousin's house (he made the mistake of renting it) and couldn't believe that this is what Sega considers to be a finished game. Of course, fanboys like you tend to scream with their fingers in their ears and deny obvious flaws like getting stuck on parts of the level geometry or experiencing massive clipping and shooting through walls. And don't fucking tell me it's not there because it happened at least 12 times when I played it.


I bet you thought Shadow the Hedgehog was a great game too, right? I thought it was pretty fucking stupid that a character that could run faster than a speeding bullet would kill people with bullets and even slower cars... and he still gets stuck on pieces of the level geometry at several points, in or out of a vehicle. Ugh.

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So you tell me why Sonic, who's been around for 15 years and still going strong, doesn't deserve to be in Brawl whereas someone like Pit who's only been in a couple of games (sorry, not trying to bash you Kid Icarus fans because I've never played the games so I can't clarify if they're good or not) deserves to be in Smash Bros. Brawl? You ask people who they would rather see: Mario vs. Pit, or Mario vs. Sonic?

Let's see, because Pit's games (as few as they were) weren't buggy trashcan fillers that had him falling through floors for no reason at all? Or maybe it's because he hasn't had the chance to "hardcore" up his image with carjackings and 20 new characters in each sequel spanning the 17 years he's been around and getting progressively worse with each game.

And I'm tired of the whole "Mario vs. Sonic" scenario bullshit. As if that didn't get super old in the 90's, the newgrounds populace has milked that cow dry and any entertainment the idea had at all is completely lost on me now.

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If he's such a loser then why is he still around? Oh that's right...because he still has a freakin huge fanbase. Maybe it's not as big as Mario's or Link's but a lot of people still love the blue hedgehog.

That's awesome; it's not having good games that make a character, hell no! It's the fanbase that makes a character!

I mentioned this in my last post, did you even bother to read it?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by SuperSonic

Alright, you are a Genesis 2-D fanboy instead of a 2-D fanboy. I love how you assume that if one game sucks, the other one will too when in fact, Rush turned out to be a really great game.

To tell the truth I didn't find Sonic's genesis incarnations that good either. All Sonic ever was to me was a blatant, stupid wannabe who couldn't hold a candle to Mario gameplay-wise.

Since you consider this new Sonic to be a good game as well, I'll take that opinion for what it's worth.

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I have a problem with the loading screens, yes. I have a problem with when I try to do a light speed dash on the rings after springing off a rope I do a bounce to my doom. So does that automatically make it a bad game?

Yes, that makes it not just a bad game by definition, but a terrible game. You're telling me that doing a move in an area where you're supposed to do that move sends you to death instantly? This is just one example of the many bugs in a game you consider "well-beyond decent"? I really don't think Nintendo should dirty themselves by touching this filth-covered brand. I hope they don't.

FELIPE NO

What about the people who don't have more than two Miis?

Well, I guess it would just clone them repeatedly.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

I heard from Wiispot that it was slated for as soon as May. It doesn't matter, because there's no real way to know right now. When Sakurai has a specific release date planned he'll probably be courteous enough to tell us, so wait for it to come straight from his mouth, not from Gamestop.

I've been thinking that the roster will dramatically increase with this game. They could have well within the realm of 40+ characters, and I've been thinking, what if they put Diddy Kong in alongside Donkey Kong? For some reason I just thought about his movelist and came up with this...

A: Dorky slaps (4 hits, ends with him whipping his tail)
Up+A: Backflip
Forward+A: Kartwheel
Down+A: Tail sweep

B: Peanut pistols (they fire in three-round bursts and have very slight recoil on the characters)
Up+B: Barrel jetpack
Forward+B: Heavy Kartwheel (like Mario's tornado, except attacks straight in front of him and is more damaging than it looks)
Down+B: Barrel pickup (produces a random barrel out of thin air; could be a wooden barrel, weak bamboo barrel, TNT barrel, or keg. He can also hold it out in front of him and simply walk into somebody with it)

Super Smash: Primate Percussion (he whips out his boom box and cranks it up, putting on his sunglasses and playing a funky beat so full of bass that it sends out massive shockwaves)

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Blah, Sonic sucks. Screw him, I'd much rather see Capcom's blue mascot in this game than Sega's.

I don't know how they'd make it work, though. The original Megaman, according to the story, is most likely dead, X and Zero are dead as well, and all that remains of them are "biometal" things that contain their consciousness. They can't actually do anything without a host body, and I'm wondering if Megaman actually does make it to this game, will it be the actual X or just his biometal form on one of the kids you play as in ZX?

There's nowhere I can't reach.

No, the original Megaman is long dead... I'm not trying to rag on him but he's just a child whose abilities pale in comparison to X and Zero's. I'd be fine with seeing him in it but I'd much rather see X/Zero, they just seem a lot cooler to me and the original Megaman hasn't appeared in a brand new canon game since that craplousy MM8.

I doubt a biometal would make a practical item, since your description makes it change the character entirely. Instead of that, I'm picturing a toned-down version of the Z-Saber as an item.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

But there's already a "Z-Saber" in Super Smash Bros.: The Beam Sword!

Yeah, that would get replaced by the Z-Saber and it would allow the characters to do brief three-hit combos with it instead of just swinging it once.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by NovaX

"awesome" idea

That's the worst idea ever. The B moves are used to attack as well as transform? How the hell are you supposed to do anything? The game can't tell the difference between when you want to do one and not the other.

Your idea is too convoluted and poorly planned to be either practical or useful, especially in a game like Smash Brothers. I'd much rather see just X or Zero and keep their moveset limited to the easy SSB standards, please.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Screw this whole biometal transformation idea, it's awful. Let's just use plain old Zero. His moves from X4 and X5 are perfectly suited for Smash Bros, and the only "transformation" he needs is to be able to swap between his Z-Saber and Z-Buster.

I saw these moves on a Megaman fansite. The names are really Tokyoesey.

Here's a movelist I made using his moves from X5. Most of his saber moves are restricted to the A button.

B: Z-Buster (He just whips it out of its holster and fires 3 rounds at a time, depending on how fast you tap the button and how close you are to the enemy. It has a slight charging ability too.)

Up+B: "Denjin" (he does an up-rising slash with his saber while it's covered in electricity)

Smash+B: W-Shredder (He appears to dash forward, but actually sends out a phantom image of himself that dashes forward and slices the enemy, blowing them away with a wind element)

Down+B: Quake Blazer (He plunges his sword in the ground while it's covered in flames. If done from the air it leaves some explosions on the spot where it hits the ground, but if done from the ground it does a single explosion with a wider area.)

His Super Smash, I don't know... maybe that one where he slams his fist on the ground and a bunch of those energy pillars come crashing upward from the ground?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

It's just a plain bad idea. That's all there is to it.

Also... "he"?

FELIPE NO

That brings up another issue: his look. Most likely they'd use his appearance from the Zero series, but since he's using moves from the X series in my speculation... who knows, maybe the X series look would make an appearance as a costume?

Hell, maybe there'll actually be alternate costumes this time instead of plain old palette swaps? If that were true, it would make the game a hulking behmoth of replayability. Characters, stages, trophies, costumes... wow.

Anyways, I just immediately went for suggesting Zero as opposed to X because we haven't really played as any actual Megaman incarnation in those games for years. Zero's clearly stolen the spotlight and that's why I suspect any blue Megaman is out of candidacy as a character for SSBB.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Let me think about the original Megaman...

B: Buster (can be charged, as well as edited with random items from Eddie)

Up+B: Rush Coil (sort of like G&W's "Fire" move, Rush just instantly appears and disappears underneath him, except Megaman has the added ability of being able to smash upwards with a headbutt)

Smash+B: Rush Jet (he simply jumps on Rush and jets forward for a bit with an overshield around them, electrocuting opponents)

Down+B: Eddie (he simply pulls out that little flip-top bot, Eddie, who dispenses a random buster edit; sometimes it gives him missiles, sometimes it gives him the Megaball, sometimes a random item, etc.)

Crap, I don't know. The later incarnations of Megaman have better potential for moves. Why don't you guys try coming up with this stuff?

Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

There's not much they can really do unless you give them a basic Shoryuken move or that spinning kick move that Ryu and Ken do.

He had a shoryuken move in the Marvel vs. Capcom series.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Yeah, but that Megaman is long dead as I stated before... I think they'd put in a more recent incarnation of him than the classic one.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Well, yeah, but Snake's case is different. That MGS1/2 version of Snake is the one that people are most familiar with. It's not his most recent outfit but it's his most frequent.

How ya doing, buddy?

I doubt they'd use any Megaman but the ones from the main series. Battle Network is just an unrelated spinoff and from what I've seen it's not doing that great by itself. I'm fairly sure they'd use the titular character himself instead of this other lackluster incarnation.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Dubble

What I think would be really nice is if a different costume gave you an extra power or possibly a handicap.

No, how it would work is, each costume gives characters a subtle difference in their movements and timing, as well as other factors like weight and speed. Pichu and Raichu would be alternate costumes for Pikachu. Raichu would be more powerful, heavier and bulkier. Pichu would be the same useless little thing he already is.

I think their super moves would change drastically as well...

Originally Posted by SuperSonic

Has there been any news of new levels or new characters (like Sonic) or maybe even a new trailer? If not, then I suppose they'll make us wait till E3?

E3 is basically dead and gone, isn't it? I remember hearing that it was changed. There's a different game event at the end of this month anyways, hopefully there'll be a bit of new info there.

Reiteration: Sonic can go choke on dick.

I was speaking idiomatically.