Kramer snaps

Originally Posted by Denicalis

I love that they're demanding monetary compensation. That, right there, tells me they're not too broken up about it. They're just using this as an opportunity now. Make the dude make his ammends, say he's sorry... fuck, ask that he's required to do community service in a black neighbourhood. But you want money for being called a nigger? Where's my money for being called a drunk Irish asshole.

thats exactly what there doing... maybe he should counter sue for them ruining his set, blowing this out of proportion, and creating a bad public outlook on him.

Seriously, anyone who's opinion of 'kramer' is lowered by this needs to ask themselves a few questions question... ever been angry? ever make a mistake while angry? were you up on that stage? did you see anything besides his outburst? ever had a bad day? and had that last straw fall into place? stop judging him. try judging yourself to those same standards. the majority of people have no right to call him a bad person.

I think they deserve it. Just because they are black and he's white its become some huge ordeal. If he was any other race, this wouldn't go past state news at most.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

No, hecklers are part of comedy. I don't think they blew it out of proportion until they demanded money. Also, I'm willing to bet that Gloria Allred called them, not the other way around. She's a fucking bottom feeder. And you know what caused a bad public outlook of Michael Richards? Screaming nigger in a derogatory way at two people who interrupted his set.

they pulled the trigger that set the gun off. Itd be no more ridiculous than them claiming a need for monetary compensation.

I hate hecklers. Had I been there, I'd of told them to shut the hell up. Maybe even used some offensive jargon of my own. Hecklers ruin shows for everyone else because they're selfish and feel that the show should be altered just because they aren't enjoying it. fuck hecklers.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

yes, he did chose the wrong way to deal with it. But its between him and them, not the whole world. They egged him on and he retaliated inappropriately with anger. I'm not defending it, i'm just not focusing on what way too many people already are.

Ya, he screwed up. Shit happens, its not our business.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

It was on stage. Infront of a room full of people.

difference of opinion. That doesn't make it public; its between him and them.

it wasn't on the streets, it wasn't on tv (it was _put_ on tv, its different), it wasn't within public property.

it was within a private venue. Its a trivial matter within a private location, therefore, imo, its not our business. Next time you fuck up anywhere thats not contained within your home, lets broadcast it all over everything.

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

See, I have to highly disagree with that. He called someone a nigger in a public room full of people. It isn't private under the law, and it sure as fuck isn't private under social understanding.

its a private venue, its private property. its is a private room of people, not public; payment is required to gain entrance. These are facts. Deciding whether or not you feel the issue itself is public or private is a separate matter.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

It's private property, it's not a private venue. A comedy club, one of the biggest in America, is a public venue.

its private domain. That's what allows them to control it as they see fit.

yes, the public has access to it, but that doesn't make it public domain.

does it make a difference to _you_ either way?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

is that what I said?

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Originally Posted by Denicalis

No. I'm not black. Nigger doesn't offend me. Now, were my name Jamaal and I found out Kramer just screamed nigger at two guys in a comedy club, I'd probably want a certain amount of him being held responsible.

thats not what I was asking. I was asking if whether you call it public private property makes any difference of your opinion.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

And yes, that is what you're saying. You're trying to convince me that a public comedy club is a private place so the media shouldn't be able to make a big deal out of it? He talked about hanging the man upside down and jamming a fork up his ass while calling him a nigger. Ya, that's a big fucking deal. Yes, the media should be reporting on it, yes he should be held accountable, no they shouldn't be asking for money. But again, I'd wager that's Gloria Allred. I think the problem, Av, is that you're not sure what you're arguing here.

It is a private place, with which the public has access to. Those whom were within it as well as officials of the region should be concerned about it. Not all physical and digital media, nor everyone that is exposed to this media.

I'm saying its not all of the world's business. He should be held accountable, but all the world shouldn't make sure of it, nor be riding his ass for it.

You're reading between lines instead of reading the lines.

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Originally Posted by a lurker

I find it interesting that you file this in the 'niggers being niggers' file, and then turn around and proclaim that no one should have an opinion unless they're Richards or the hecklers.

is that comment directed at me?

If so... would you happen to be familiar with the term eisegesis?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

But you're not defending Michael Richards. Okay.

try to pay more attention. Maybe this will help.

Originally Posted by avanent

ever been angry? ever make a mistake while angry? were you up on that stage? did you see anything besides his outburst? ever had a bad day? and had that last straw fall into place?

indirectly stating his imperfection and fallibility at the least.

Originally Posted by avanent

yes, he did chose the wrong way to deal with it.
...
Ya, he screwed up.

directly stating he was in the wrong.

Originally Posted by avanent

Next time you fuck up anywhere thats not contained within your home, lets broadcast it all over everything.

indirectly stating he fucked up

Originally Posted by avanent

Those whom were within it as well as officials of the region should be concerned about it.

directly stating it should be a matter of concern, but of those within a particular sphere.

Originally Posted by avanent

He should be held accountable, but all the world shouldn't make sure of it, nor be riding his ass for it.

indirectly stating _someone_ should make sure he is held accountable.


Just because I don't hark and rant on how he screwed up, doesn't mean I'm defending him. Even if I felt some NEED to, why bother, plenty of people have done a great job of it, like all the media involved.

BTW, not going to bother replying anymore, your just reading whatever you want into everything. Which a lurker lvoes to do as well. So... why should I bother? All this discussion being trivial doesn't help either...

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you read whatever you want to into everything a lurker. discussing anything with you, that you dont already agree with, shouldn't be bothered with.

Originally Posted by Rita the Carpet Cleaner

What do you suppose was Richard's motivation for apologizing? That's right, social pressure from those who made it their business.

maybe, its an argument. We cant say for sure, but its certainly a possibility. For this very reason, many people are discrediting his apology. Would his apology have meant more if the public eye wasn't on him? Yes.

Would he have apologized if the public eye wasn't on him? We can't say. We know he hadn't yet, but we can't say we know he wouldn't of at all. We only know that the apology came after public presentation. We can no longer know if he would have had the media not focused on him. An apology was pretty much forced, and now we're left guessing its sincerity.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

So, which line was I to read between, or within, to find out how "not going to reply" really means "well, maybe one more time."

does that make you feel special? you ever make a mistake?

my intention was not reply to you, because your want and opinion influences you're comprehension and your tongue twists to serve your purpose. I also went back on what I had said, which is why I edited it out. Which you happened to see in under the 4 minutes it existed. I'm going back on what I said once more only to state this. pat yourself on the back. I wish i were so impressive.

Originally Posted by a lurker

I'm not reading anything into anything, avarent. You said very clearly that you think people shouldn't have an opinion about this unless they were directly related, but you had no problem giving us your own opinion of the events.

This could only mean...

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KRAMER

Where did I say that? you inferred that. I only stated it shouldn't be our business. While stating how your not reading into anything, you present something you inferred as something I actually stated. True awesomeness. You remind me why I find you not worth speaking to.

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Originally Posted by a lurker

You're very bad at this game, avanent! Something that you have no business in, ideally, means something you have to ignore. You have awful reading comprenehsion, and a bloated sense of self-worth, otherwise you wouldn't think you could outsmart anyone quoting your words right at you by saying "You're reading too much into things".

Why do you hate black people, avanent? Did your mom run off with one of them?

you said i stated something very clearly that I didn't say at all. Instead of even trying to defend your original statement, you further yourself with personal attacks.

No, something you 'have no business in' not only means you should not act upon it, but also that it shouldn't even be brought to your attention. Just because you ignore it doesn't mean no opinion is formed, nor does it mean that an opinion should be restrained from being formed. Your confusing paying no attention to and restraining acting upon with actually restraining all attention to; there is a difference. There are a few people on GFF I tend to ignore, that doesn't mean I try to suppress my opinions of them, nor does ignoring require or suggest that.

fyi, i don't even know any black people, they are rather rare here. I've heard all the stereotypes, and seen how the media represents them, but I have little information to base much of any opinion on them.

btw, i prefer the term arrogant. Do you always resort to personal attacks?

How ya doing, buddy?

Good to know dubble, I'll be sure to write it all down. Now I can quote you on all this right?

actually, i've never heard the hotsauce or the watermelon thing before, but I have been exposed to the other stereotypes.

white? well... I do prefer the term caucasian...
i am part white.

Originally Posted by a lurker

My original statement as far as you're concerned is that you're giving your opinion on something you have no business in, by your own words. I was just confused why you felt you had the right. You still haven't enlightened me on the topic. Why do you keep dodging it?

oh? is that exactly what you've been trying to get at? Is that exact;y what your trying to say? Ask it directly next time, and its exactly what i'll answer. Resorting to personal attacks and twisting words only muddles things.

The whole thing isn't my business, and it should have never been brought to my attention. But it has been. Everyone has a right to their own opinion, and one will form whether or not it is wanted. On a forum, opinions are shared, and thats what I did. It isn't my business, but of course, like everyone else I have an opinion on it. My opinion wasn't exactly what I had shared at first either, but rather a bit to counter the current balance.

my opinion is that both parties are to blame. What he did is somewhat justified by their behavior, and they deserved some sort of retort, but that in no way makes it right or proper, and he way overdid it. Of course, I don't really think my opinion is any of your business, but since you seem so focused on it.

Originally Posted by a lurker

But you're giving your opinion, that is an action. Why do you feel you have the right to act, and deny this right to other people?

Miss Manners thinks you're a lying nigger but don't mind her, when she grew up that's how everyone spoke

Did I deny this right to other people? No I did not. I simply stated I don't believe any of us even have the right to be aware of the whole 'kramer' situation, much less act upon it.

The media loves to present things that aren't really our business. I hear things all the time in the media that I really don't think they had the right to share.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by a lurker

Who exactly do you think you're fooling, casper?

no one, i disregarded that since i was not regarding 'niggers as niggers'. I responded more to what you were stating as my opinion rather than the question you were trying to ask in that statement. Now that you bring it back, its pretty clear, but the way you stated it, with it following the post before it, and you not directly asking the question... well, I forgot about it. In my head, it became the 'niggers as niggers' accusation rather than the question within a statement.

How ya doing, buddy?

nah, i got it dubble. I was partially playing along and partially provided irrelevant information in response.

Originally Posted by a lurker

So it's not your business, and you have no right to act about it in any way, but since you are aware of it you'll run your mouth off. You'll also tell us over and over again about how it's none of our business and we should leave well enough alone. But since this is a discussion forum...

when in rome...

You keep asking, I keep telling. I'm not preaching, you're asking. Stop asking, I'll stop telling. You drop my topic, and I'll drop my topic. The easiest way to kill something is through neglect.

in that same vein... despite you being a mod, you engage in behavior unbefitting for a role-model within the community. The behavior you display as a mod promotes and validates it. This very behavior is not only against common courtesy, but also against Bobo's desired behavior. Sure he isn't always here, but he does hold the plug, and this is his little project. Does this provide any dissonance for you?

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