Saddam Hussein to receive death penalty

Originally Posted by Night Phoenix

On the contrary, death is the ultimate justice. You lose your life, which you can never regain. And "Thou Shalt Not Kill", if you look at the proper context, is actually 'Thou Shalt Not Murder." And yes, there is a difference.

That is just the kind of bullshit christians have made up to justify war and capital punishment. Personally, I'm not religious at all, but I'm not stupid enough to believe that your god left an asterisk at the end of that commandment. I read that book a few times over in my day. The only distinction between murder and killing is the one we've made up for them.

And I know for certain that kind man from Nazareth would disagree with you. Seeing as it's called CHRISTianity you'd think they'd actually start listening to what that guy said.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Yeah, it's like we make up definitions for words or something. It's almost as if we've filled a whole language full of words we've made up to describe things.

Trouble is, these nasty little things called 'opinions' get all muddled up in a whole lot of those distinctions we've made up.

Originally Posted by Hachifusa

Are you honestly saying that killing someone in war and murdering a man in his sleep are the exact same? Killing/murdering is not defined as 'taking life', you know.

I don't want to sit here and say, "Yes, they're EXACTLY the same," because obviously they aren't. But damnit, if people and their gods are allowing for gray areas when humans kill eachother, then there sure as shit needs to be some more thought on the word "justice".

And what the fuck are you talking about? If the words 'killing' and 'murdering' aren't considered taking life then what do they mean? Has it meant "having a tea party" all this time and I didn't know?

Originally Posted by Bradylama

The simple difference between killing and murder is that a murder is perceived to be an unjust killing.

When a country enters a conflict under false pretenses or for reasons that a great deal of it's people feel are unfounded, when many believe there is no justice in the war itself, does that mean all the (religious) individuals in the millitary, the ones actually committing the killing for an unjustified reason are still somehow in the clear with their god? I know you aren't exactly saying that, but you're certainly leaving room for someone else to say it.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

The reason Christians launched wars and killed Jews was because they knew there was a difference. From a modern perspective, we think that the pogroms and atrocities perpetrated against Jews were heinous and constitute murder, but from a contemporary Christian perspective, Jews were poisoning wells and hoarding all the money in an age of Mercantilism. It's not really a matter of evil men doing wicked deeds (though many detractors at the time certainly felt so) it's just that nowadays we know better, or are at least supposed to.

If it was true that Jews were poisoning wells and hoarding money, then I can most assuredly see a justification for war. You gotta protect your neck man. Defending oneself is the most valid reason for killing that I can think of. But it seems there are A LOT of other reasons that in my opinion (and hopefully a handful of others) are completely asinine.

I suppose that's all justice is, though... an opinion. I hope my point isn't lost in that. Fuck it, it probably is. But like you said, people should know better.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Bradylama

Which completely refutes thousands of years of written and spoken language. Ok.

Nah, I wasn't trying to refute anything, I was just trying to make it a 'grain of salt' kinda thing.

But whatever, I lost my point somewhere in the haze between yesterday and today, so let's say I was merely pointing out that justice is subjective.

In which case... yeah, I'm mildly retarded.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.