[General Discussion] Gaming bullshit...

You know for a forum with such drama on a regular basis I rarely see anyone really bitching about videogames or the gamers beyond some fanboy hate. I never thought I'd say this at one time, but I'm actually getting a little sick of games myself unless they're really well made. Especially the bullshit that happens online and games starting to seem more like an unpaid job then what's that word... oh yeah fun!

I did a thread like this a long time ago about common things in games that piss people off, not just rpgs I'm talking gaming in any form. So I thought I would do try a revival edition to see what gems we came up with between us, not to mention see how many of these you relate to. Also examples of lol bullshit moments like videos, short stories or screenshots are more then welcome. Also sorry in advance if this looks messy:

you know what's bullshit?

Spoiler:

Lag: Because skill is irrelevant on the internets! All the button mashing in the world won't save your ass, high speed connection ftw every time.

MMORPGs: You're being stalked by a maxed out character who wants to pwn you, then teabag you and is 'strong' enough to kill you just by sneezing on you. What's that? You got no +10 gears or max levels? Then you're just as fucked as a lagger, and while we're on the subject of gaming bullshit killing the same monsters 100+ times for months is NOT gameplay.

Rare elite super awesome cool wtf items: Because in rpgs they equal power and the sad sick truth is the easyist way to get them is to pose as a girl then beg for them. (see "playing other genders online") Because if you try to get them yourself there is ALWAYS a lifeless hermit gamer already there waiting to grab it before you. In the time you've taken to read this, he's already killed the monster, taken it and gone. Cheer up though... only another 24 hours until the next respawn... you could do some more leveling up in that time ^_________________________^

Online voice chat: People typed shit on online games before, why the FUCK would I want to hear them talk shit instead without the option of a mute button? See also 'kids'.

Kids: With the exception of you hermit gamers they're better then you... period... and on the rare occasion when they're not they're still annoying, to the point you want to kick their ass irl jay and silent bob style since you can't do it online.

Excuses: Because you wish you checked the controllers beforehand to make the loser stfu.

Game credits: Finish an epic game then watch as the programmers, artists, musicians, modelers, QA testers etc and their mates names scroll past your screen, while you cry as you try to remember yours...

Playing other genders online: Online gaming is 8+ years old now... so every one of you lonely fuckers thinking with your brain downstairs should all know by now, there is really no excuse for falling for this. All gamers should be assumed male until proven otherwise! Not to mention any 'girl' that begs is rarely a good person to be friends with, and yet a lot of people still fall for it!

Case in point with some old screenshots I took in a lol situation, co-op mode on Gunster the 2nd guy was a moron and used all the spare lives dying over and over (hence him looking like a ghost)

then this happened:

moments later...

More gaming bullshit examples as I think of them...

Most amazing jew boots

Way to nit pick for the lawlz =P Nah I was referencing those epic games with anti climax endings made up mostly of the credits... although badly it seems

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Shitflap

Unlike most people who utilise it, SNARF SNARF GUFFAW HUHUHAHA.

You got me there, I guess word of mouth doesn't travel that well on online games with that kind of shit. As for fence gamers wow... they have to be the best people to reel in with game gimmicks, like adverts for games that don't even show any footage from the game yet people get excited about it, or they buy the Nintendo DS version of a game expecting it to have Playstation 2/3 graphics that's always funny to see.

I honestly didn't think those kind of gamers really existed as a single entity, I always thought of them as the newb older or younger sibling of a more serious gamer, but seeing Chad Warden make an ass of himself ages ago now in front of millions on youtube soon changed that opinion...

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I think the casual vs hardcore comes mostly into the intense competitive nature of the games now. Pretty much every popular game now relies on the multi player as the main seller which is no bad thing... that is if it wasn't for this e sports bollocks and having to alienate yourself, apart from maybe internet conversations in order to get good enough not to have everyone running rings around you.

Hardcore gamer status was mostly about who could actually sit through a whole game before which was pretty pathetic sometimes in itself. Now it's become dominance win by any means necessary like some fight for survival, the only exception I can think of is matches with friends which can be hilarious with the right company. Of course I'm over generalizing here, but anyone who says they have never felt that cut throat competitive online atmosphere is either clueless about online or a liar.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Lizardcommando

The only bullshit I can think of that pisses me off are competitive gamers and competitive gaming in general. I don't know what it is that irks me. They just come off as being cocky, arrogant assholes.

Or maybe I'm just jealous of them

Jealosy is one big factor but it normally takes someone to rub it in your face knowing you can't stop them before that kicks off which is normally what happens XP

Being someone who has been called both a newb and a pro I can confirm the rewards are not worth it unless you're aiming for tournament prizes or to just best a rival if that's your sort of thing but even then the perks arn't that great. Sure there's the god complex I've seen countless people get when you reach that pro status, but unlike a real sport when the community moves on to the next big release it all feels like a waste in the end, unless you've been amazing to the point you must have no other life; but I'm sure even for them there must be a kind of emptiness to it. Maybe that's one reason why there's so many fps games, so the skills can be partly transferred or something

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Spike

Not meant as an insult, but it sounds like you just got owned by a little kid in World of Warcraft and then you resurrected your body and then you got killed again by lag and then some other kid walked by and laughed at you in voice chat.

And then you go back to your home city and find out that the elf girlfriend of yours was actually a guy.

But yeah lag sucks. The other things seem pretty nitpicky.

First of all WOW= evil you'd have to pay me to even consider playing it, but you're not too far wrong I was pretty angry when I started this thread.

If you want to call it something call it a build up of bullshit over many years. Long story short I've been screwed over a lot of ways if you want to talk rpgs, but I can truthfully say I've witnessed the girlfriend thing many times and even been in a party of 11 'girls' of which only 2 of them really were girls! But I've not been a victim of the girlfriend thing, and given my previous experiences now that will never happen.

I'll admit the credits thing was nitpicking but come on you mean to tell me none of those other things has ever pissed you off?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Elixir

Maybe if you stopped investing your time into garbage games (re: online gaming in general) and started playing some proper games that don't require you to play competitively or against somebody then there's a slight possibility of enjoyment to be found. I heard Goldeneye even has a singleplayer mode.

If you didn't play these this thread wouldn't exist.

If you don't like online gaming, don't play it. There's rare/legendary items in other games which are just waiting to be found, not waiting to be stolen by some 15 year old who loves kill stealing Phreeoni and stealing in your shit in Ragnarok Online MMORPG.

The only real thing you pointed out was lag, which is also something which is under your control by playing with people in your own area. Otherwise you're going to have to put up with it. Even then this isn't game related but more service related

Excluding the credits thing I'm surprised how few people seem to have related to that list either through own experience or watching someone else. Not sure exactly what you mean by proper games basically everything offline? Unless you mean passing off repetitive tasks online as gameplay when it's not, which pretty much means you'll go crazy before you finish or at best the game becomes only as fun as the people you play with.

I see exactly what you're saying in 'if you don't like how things are run don't play it', only problem is this goes back to what I said in another post, developers are gearing their games more towards the online features now. It's like completely dismissing a part of the gaming culture and all the new ideas that come with it, not having a wii I assume features like the friend code system solves some of the bullshit from other players problem though. I was a purist console gamer at one time, but despite my earlier bitching I do find online games more interesting for the most part then solo offline I've just reached a stage where most single player games seem like clones of games I've already played. How ironic that something developers are working the hardest on because of the popularity has the most to answer for with how to keep the games entertaining rather then repetitive.

Sorry for me starting out so pissed off and the thread reading more like a journal, I genuinely want to revive this old thread concept. So to save this thread from any more damnation I thought of more things for the list:

Pedant gamers: Few things say newb more then a player who only uses one character then complains when they can't use them.

Fighting Game A.I.'s: assuming the A.I. is half decent while it pulls off combos with a thought you're left putting in joypad commands like some crazed password/rhythm game. You need to play something like Hyper Street Fighter's insain A.I. to fully get that frustration, any A.I. that reduces a friend to physically throwing himself down some stairs is evil in my book

Glitches: It shouldn't happen in final versions yet it does, it's not always bad news but it always make the publishers look like they just didn't care. Classic examples being that shitty sonic port on gba or the street fighter 2 that actually freezes if you vs the Akuma boss, or better yet this glitch screenshot of urban slug brought to you by urbanprophet in the gff arcade

Hidden Endless Loops: This ones a little tricky to explain but basically in videogames where you enter an endless loop with almost no chance of escape to progress, so you waste your time trying to escape when you pretty much can't. Classic examples I know of being how kid chameleon was a maze of stages in itself that didn't have to be all done in order or at all for that matter, or in ninja gaiden how some of the bosses are near unbeatable without powerups, so if you don't get it right the first time prepare for a lot of bullshit to come...

Drama Game Overs: I have no problem with the fact a game has a game over sequence I just hate those ones that can't be skipped and have dramatic music and crap, if I didn't give up I don't need to see that shit every time I run out of lives >.>

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Zeal

These are extremely idiotic, illogical excuses. Voice chat is bullshit? Credits? Gamers of of the opposite sex......?

Yeah, ok. So basically anything we're you're actually required to interact with other human beings, right?

Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-2

You're such a sexist prat. You know what's bullshit? Fags like yourself who make gaming a hard ass time for the female sex. Stop being an insecure little shit and deal with the fact that females exist and WOW some of us enjoy games too. Dumbfuck.

And this is coming from someone with excellent taste in who is a female gamer.

lol @ you people trying to get e props without even reading fully what I'm saying. Zeal the credits things was nitpicking thats a given which I already admitted, but you're at least the 3rd person to point that out now drop it already. My dig at mmorpgs is the fact skill barely even comes into it on most occasions, it's more down to who has the most stuff making most fights over before they even start, you could be the best fucking rpg player that ever lived and the outcome of that duel won't change. Lastly my issue with voice chat is the fact you can't shut them up, it's a lot damn easier to ignore someone typing then someone talking out of their ass when you're trying to talk with everyone else.

RAZGRIZ or whatever your non ace combat name is your angry comment was the funniest because you couldn't be more wrong if you tried and the random insults just made it funnier. If anyone is sexist it's you, my issue is how stupid guy gamers are falling for 'girl' gamers charms online... be it them being a sexually frustrated loser wanting to use them for humping posts or a supposedly more serious relationship unless you know them outside of the game most of it's the bullshit of insecure guys living out fantasys. If I had money for every time I've seen a guy give items to a 'girl' like a braindead fanboy or the biggest lol of all the girl leaves them and takes all their stuff I'd be fucking rich.

If you've never heard of that shit before you've either been turning a blind eye with whatever bubble you've been in or not played many online rpgs besides WoW; and before you turn any more feminist bitch on me saying girls won't play to any of that male desire crap you're only half right. In all truth guy gamers posing as girls started that leecher shit, most likely out of jealosy of the rare real gamer couples. If anything some of the girls have started copying their tatics now but I still put the blame on the average guy gamer for being a fucking idiot.

Now we have the latest complaints out the way, anyone else want to look like an ass trying to put me down and failing? Or can we get back on topic?

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

My initial rant sounded a lot like rpgs Zorro, which is funny because that wasn't even what pissed me off. This topic is about anything annoying in games

Originally Posted by Spike

Not sure what the elite monster thing is about (is that kinda like the weapons in FF7?)

Pretty much but they only spawn at certain times of the day. The main difference from offline being the best items get camped like crazy by other players, meaning your best chance of getting it first is assembling a team of people to help you look for it and hoping you trust each other enough that they won't just keep it for themselves.

Originally Posted by GRUN-3

I love glitches personally. I love dicking around in games.

Not all bullshit is annoying, I just said it looks like the game publishers look like they didn't care

Originally Posted by Slayer X

Probably my biggest complaint is one that is not possible to solve nor one that could have been avoided, and that's the influence that the mass market and general consumer have had on the insdustry. It's good because it more supporters which mean bigger game budgets and therefore better looking and in some cases more innovative games, but the cons it causes outweighs the pros in my opinion.

With the general consumer, developers have been feeling the need to dumb everything down to make it playable for the said audience. Things like "familiar" game mechanics i.e. the milking of the FPS genre. Or that games need to be made easy and not require a lot of time investment. This is shown with the difficulty difference between things like SystemShock 2 -> BioShock OR PerfectDark -> Halo OR Zelda 1/2 -> Zelda: TP.

I've always liked my games hard and require skill to beat and even though they do still exist with things like Ninja Gaiden, Devil May Cry, God Hand, Nippon Ichi tactical RPGs, and even Square's been pretty good in keeping things challenging. For every game that maintains what gaming was built on, there's 100 "casual" games that plug the main arteries of the industry.

But the decrease of the difficulty curve alone is not my problem and to list them would take some time. But I'm sure thoes who compare what made games great in the later years to the popstar, media covered circus games like Halo, Manhunt will notice the lack of staying power these games have compared to the ones of the PS1 and earlier generations.

Couldn't agree more on the appealing to the masses thing, with games becoming so epic now in the production phase companies are getting to scared to try anything too different, one reason I started playing online was I started finding I was finishing games then most of the time having no desire to want to play them again afterwards. Sure in this day and age being original is pretty much a mix of existing genres, but do we really need more clone games like another world war fps sim? If you compare that generic approach to something like team fortress 2 for example at least they're trying to put a unique air of humour and more unique style into it not taking themselves too seriously.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by guyinrubbersuit

From what you described it just sounds like you can get something somewhere in order to progress.

Far as I remeber with Ninja Gaiden you have to grab a powerup at the start of a stage then hold onto it all the way until the boss which is not exactly fun, but kid chameleon I'm seriously not kidding about. There's hidden warps all over the place to skip levels or send you backwards, not many games can confuse you even with what level you're on, let alone how close you are to finishing the current one. Sure you can get shit loads of extra lives but either way it just turns to one huge endurance fest.

Originally Posted by RAZGRIZ-2

why are you bitching about what people do with their own items/gold? Are you jealous or something? I guess you're just angry you fell for a "trap", otherwise why would it anger you? I'd just laugh at people who give female players (real or not) items.

Wow... my first post has become classic anger+rant+internet aids since jackshit of it seems to have got the message across by itself, otherwise that would have been your first reply.

You can assume otherwise all you want, but the truth is I'm not stupid enough to fall for that, the only time I would have I was too newb to have anything worth taking I just have some strange knack for finding lolz and fucked up stuff with online games. The reason I'm bitching about it is because they can pretty much bypass the whole system to god status while everyone else is 'grinding' or whatever you want to call it their asses off.

You could call it jealosy; but you can't really when it's cheating because you're playing everyone for fools and soaring through the ranks of power as if you hacked, yet you're also not cheating because you didn't actually hack the items which is why nothing is ever really done about it. I couldn't care less about the victims unless I know them personally, I'm just pissed off guys are still stupid enough to get tricked in the first place, then some sneaky lazy bastard gets the rewards of whatever many days/months of work was put into those items.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by STRIGON-1

Correct me if I'm wrong but, are you are blaming the con artist for the stupidity of the victims? Anyone who gives away loot/gold to someone based purely on one's online avatar's gender doesn't deserve the loot they had.

I'm angry for the community not really getting wise to it, besides the occasional "R U RLY A GIRL?!" which RAZGRIZ-2 seems really pissed about. If 'girl' scammers were as word of mouth as not giving out your game login then the problem would largly solve itself. How smart they are is irrelevant what right does that give the scammers to reap the rewards? You wouldn't take it in real life so why should they have to online? But I'm looking too deep into it now.

Originally Posted by STRIGON-1

sounds like you just hate a great deal of online games or games that puts you in contact with other people.

Geese so many people are not getting this so I'll clear this up now, I have no problem with people online I just have a problem with the annoying bullshit they do online because anonymous = LOLZ is that such an alien concept? As previously mentioned I guess I must have been too pissed off to make enough sence earlier in this topic.

Originally Posted by DarkMageOzzie

The "female" beggers in MMOs are pretty sad... But some of the guys that fall for it are just pathetic. Alot of these guys, you don't even have to beg to get stuff from them. I had a female dark elf in EQ and in EQ you used to start in your undies. Some troll warrior that I ran into gave me a full set of leather armor and a better weapon. I remember being dumbfounded because I didn't ask for anything and he insisted it was no problem even though he was only like level 15 or so.

I always have at least a few female characters and while I try to roleplay sometimes, I never beg and if some guy starts hitting on me I send them a tell saying "I'm a dude, so stop".

Irony is that alot of people that told me they were girls IRL were using a male character to avoid being hit on.

It's a truly weird phenomenon these desperate guy gamers, amazing what being anonymous does to the self esteem. Since so many are still trying to figure out why it annoys me so much, besides victims I know, I do have a little first hand experience but not the victim kind. I did a bet years ago now for laughs on final fantasy online to see who could get the most free stuff, but I dropped out for obvious reasons when the other guy married one of his victims, so needless to say I no longer speak to that guy but I can now spot scammers a mile off. I can understand how the real girls must feel on this too, I have a friend who's so disturbed by it she plays a Ragnarök private server and only plays baby girl characters so people get the message to back off.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.