[Movie] LOST

I hear ya about the recap episode, but it was an ABC thing not just a LOST thing this time. They did it with at least Desparate Housewives and Grey's Anatomy as well...

It's funny though because my folks thought they showed new footage even though they didn't. So, I think people notice things they didn't see the first time around. However, I thought they did a horrible job of fitting the story of the show into one episode. They threw in so much random junk, like Jack & Kate getting caught in the net that was just pointless in a "big picture" view of the story. They completely left out any mention of the "monster" as well. Will we ever see that thing again?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Here's what I think the show should tell us in the Season Finale:

1. What is the monster, what does it have to do with the island? Why did it try to capture Lock, but ignore Mr. Echo.
2. What does the strange energy in the hatch have to do with typing in the numbers?
3. Are the Others related to the Dharma initiative or are they completely separate?
4. The French woman plays some sort of larger role than we've been told, I think.
5. What is this "disease" that they need to be protected from?
6. What are the Others after? (I would settle for this, at least, if they still didn't tell us who they were.)
7. Where did Desmond get off to anyway?

"Lost" article in the new Newsweek tells us a few of the questions that will be answered. If you're interested check it out.

I generally think the plot has been pretty tight altogether, but I think them ditching the concept of the monster was really poor of them. I mean, if they would have let it be with season 2 that would have been one thing, but then to have Echo run into it in season 2 means that it should be a part of the mythology somehow. If it was so big, and it came nearly to the beach that first night, then they should be running into it constantly, imho...

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

At the beginning of the show, it was a main reason NOT to go into the woods. Now, people traipse through the woods non-chalantly as though no smoke monster actually exists.

And I am not debating the fatality of thing. I know it only killed the pilot (if even that) and made lovey eyes at Eko and Locke. But seriously, it really pisses me off that they had it as an interesting little quirk, and now its completely disappeared.

These fucking writers suck at consistency. I'll take it all back if they start working with the paths they originally laid out, but I don't see that happening anytime soon.

I kind of agree with that. I mean, even after they discovered the Others, which were another reason not to go into the woods, there they still went, traipsing around as though they were in Candyland or something.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

You know, the draw for the "Others" is that they are mysterious. But we heard Walt say not to believe them because they are not what they appear. How much does Walt know? Could he tell Michael enough about the Others for Michael to make an informed decision about turning the boat around. Also, if Walt has this special power to affect reality, then couldn't he just defeat the Others? The only answer is that they have this power as well. Otherwise, they would have never let Walt go, first of all, and second of all Walt could have simply defeated them himself.

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It was interesting to see what they focused on, and what they left out.

For example, what in the world did Sayid and Hurley and the whole "lime in the coconut" scene have to do with anything? It was really pointless. Does it mean something? Does it mean that the transmission they are hearing is really perhaps from another time? If it didn't mean something, it would have been weird for them to include it.

Also, even though they only had 1 hour in which to portray 2 complete seasons, they showed the "monster" twice. So, will it be back in Season 3?

Spoiler:

I guess this could be considered a spoiler? It will be most interesting to see if anyone "remembers" the magnetic hatch explosion, since they all seemed "loopy" in the last minutes of Season 2...

I was speaking idiomatically.

You guys probably already figured this out, but I just realized this about the relationship between Jack and his dad and why it bothered him so much after the events that were revealed in the Season 3 premiere. Anyone who says nothing really happened in this episode, or nothing was revealed, must not have realized from the chronology:

Spoiler:

Jack caused his dad's death. You see, his dad was recovering while he was still a doctor. Then, Jack's physical attack on his dad at the AA meeting caused his dad to drink again (as mentioned by his ex-wife as they left the polic station). What does this mean? This means that when Jack's father was drunk in the operating room, which lead to his being stripped of his license to practice medicine, it was because of Jack. Not indirectly, but directly because of him. It was because of all of that that Jack's dad fled to Australia, where he died shortly thereafter. So, there you go: Jack killed his father.

This is an F'N BRILLIANT example of how plot "chronology" can have such a deep impact on the story. I wonder how many people watched the premiere and missed this? I mean, anyone who hadn't seen the previous seasons wouldn't make the connection either. Basically, in this scenario, no facts have changed, but the way in which the timeline of events is presented to us has all the effect in the world. I've never seen another TV show do this across 3 seasons. Insanely wonderful...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

It's not Jack's fault his father is a fucking lunatic drunk who can't exercise self constraint. Jack didn't kill his father - his father killed himself.

I don't recall a single instant in the Season 3 premiere where Jack's dad was portrayed as anything but a calm, rational professional. On the other hand, Jack physically assaults him to the point he lands in jail. This episode is where the tables were turned - in the past Jack was the more professional, "together" one and his father was the one who was behaving inappropriately and unprofessionally. In the premiere we saw last week, Jack was once again the foil to his father, but their roles were reversed. Just another interesting technique - basically it sounds like there are those who enjoy such things and those who are made impatient by them. To each his own.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I also LOVED the bit with Sawyer dumping his water. I was so worried he would accept a drink from that behavioralist bitch. Instead, he dumped it out in front of her, looked at Kate and thought "Aw, maybe she could have used some," and then attacked her lovingly. (Just to test the guards.)

True, but I hope that all turns out to be in line with their "plan." After all, Ben did notice that Kate liked Sawyer better than Jack, and if they didn't want them to interact they wouldn't have had them working together...

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Eko was too much like Locke. The two characters worked when they were fighting over the hatch, but now that the hatch is gone and they are both on the same side again, it was redundant to have the both of them.

Also, the Locke vs. Jack issue hasn't been played yet at all this season because they are separated. This gives a very different feel to the season. Instead of being philosophical and large, it's more immediate and small. This was bound to happen as details about the monster, the Others, the hatches, etc. was revealed though I guess.

What Ben said as justification for the existence of god... could just have easily been a plot all along that the Others had planned, since they seem to know everything about each passenger... I wonder if Desmond's hatch partner from before the plane crash was actually one of the "Others," since Ben seemed to know all about the button in Locke's hatch.

And yeah, who the heck are these new characters? They just seem like cannon fodder, as every main character in the past has been introduced through flashbacks...

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Originally Posted by Exodus Zexion

I was rather disapointed in Eko's death. They should have kept him on a little longer and I thought the way they killed him off sucked to.

You know, if Locke's actions in the hatch would have lead to Eko's death from the hatch explosion, then that would have been something meaningful. Instead, this bs isn't meaningful at all. It's just random violence happening to a main character, perhaps the best character they currently had.

Eko's death signals the downfall of Lost. I honestly really didn't care about anything in the last episode at all, and I have been a rabid Lost fan since day 1. Guess it's Heroes for me!

There's nowhere I can't reach.

You know, I really loved Lost for the first two seasons. But then Heroes came along and so far it has really trounced Lost. Of course, that show is in its first season too, so let's compare apples to apples. Still, at this point I see Lost olympic diving into the same empty pool as Twin Peaks did. I mean, they build up the others to be the ultimate bad-asses that are all-powerful and mysterious, but in the latest episode they are trying to make them more like regular people? (The one Sawyer called "Zeke," for example, has completely ZERO air of mystery about him, and just seems sappy & happy-go-lucky compared to his former self. LAME!)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

They re-tread old ground tonight, except for the fun downhill VW bus ride. Weeeeeeee!

Other than that, we just got to see a bit more of the "new" people being lame (they didn't even offer to help Hurley out so they served no purpose at all), Jin & Sun problems which we've seen before, Sawyer & Kate problems which we've seen before, and Hurley lottery flashbacks which we've seen before.

Sad. I thought "Jericho" was more compelling tonight...

How ya doing, buddy?

Spoiler:

The ring of weird sand around Jacob's house denotes that he is some sort of prisoner there. It reminds me of a summoning circle that is drawn to trap the demon summoned inside. Very eery!

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by rockthepartay

EDIT: Speaking of Locke, what is going on with him almost shooting himself? The suicide attempt seemed to be a little out of character.

He keeps trying and failing; that is the nature of Locke. He tried to get the upper hand with Ben, and ended up flat on his back with a bullet through his chest FTL...

The second I saw Hurley spring up behind Sawyer and Juliette I said to the people I was watching it with,

Spoiler:

Hurley is going to go get the bus and crash right through the others. And he did. Yay! Best scene of the episode for sure, just proves that even Hurley isn't useless due to his optimism.

Where Lost was faltering previously, I feel the last 5 or so episodes including this finale have finally steered it back onto a viable track. Viewers definitely got some "satisfaction" with this season finale, even if they might have disliked a few specifics here & there...

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Now as well as flashbacks, they're having flashforwards? As if the plot wasn't confusing enough...

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by ArchesFan

I don't care so much about the funeral, but more about who Kate got away from to meet Jack. I doubt it's Sawyer, because I don't think she would be that afraid of Sawyer.

Ben? It seems like the funeral would have been Sawyers, because who else would Kate care enough about to attend their funeral? And who would Jack care about little enough that he didn't attend their funeral, but did show up late just to pay respects? Sawyer...

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