The Gospel of Judas Iscariot

Originally Posted by Denicalis

You mean like how the gospels were written well after the writers would have been alive?

Hypocrisy ++.

Go read Misquoting Jesus.

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Heck, most of the Bible was probably written well after their lifetimes. There is a huge credibility problem when it comes to the Bible for this and many other reasons.

As for the Gnostic stuff, if God does exist and all that, I actually think the Gnostic stuff is closer to being accurate than the mainstream Bible itself. Too many contradictions in the Bible, really.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Cal

yeah hay look i'm not rly versed (PUNTENDO) in the damn thing's historicity, but are they really contradictions if the books and their redactions are by dozens of different ppl over several centreez

The contradictions are in God's supposed actions and words throughout the Bible. In one book, he's some benevolent almighty being giving out just laws like the Ten Commandments, and then a few pages later, he's some vengeful hateful piece of garbage who wants everything that doesn't agree with him to be stoned to death (Leviticus, Corinthians).

Just doesn't make sense.

Originally Posted by Cal

i mean it's not a fucking novel you're readin

Actually, I think the Bible fits the exact definition of a historical novel. Of course believers would never agree with that, but until the contradictions are explained and there is some sign of historical accuracy in the whole Bible, I don't think any historians would ever dare consider the Bible a legitimate source of historical information or fact.

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Originally Posted by Wesker

Where is Corinthians is there any stoning to death of those who don't believe? Corinthians is a New Testament book, all about forgiveness and what not. Maybe you should try reading the book before claiming to know the content.

The stoning isn't in Corinthians, the stoning is in Leviticus. Corinthians more or less "backs it up" by saying all the people who were declared as being fit for execution in Leviticus "won't inherit the kingdom of God".

The reason I mentioned it is because some people like to say the Bible isn't as strict as people say because the New Testament replaces the Old Testament. I bring up Corinthians because it's in the New Testament and still validates the so-called "evils" of many things said to be as such in Leviticus. I would give a quote, but the Book of Leviticus is far too long for this forum, and the entire thing has all sorts nonsense in it. I will quote Corinthians for you, though:

1 Corinthians 6:9
"Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders"

Not quite as bad as Leviticus, mind you, but it's still there. Leviticus targets many more people, including saying such garbage like women on their periods are tainted (something to that effect), asking for animal sacrifices, prostitutes getting stoned to death, adulterers getting stoned to death, lots of people getting stoned to death, all sorts of crap.

The contradiction is that, how funny, very few of those things are mentioned in the Ten Commandments. As such, I'd say that's a good indication that someone decided to create some of their own laws and falsely claim that God told them they were his laws. This is why I don't subscribe to Christianity or Catholicism. If there weren't millions of followers, both would be cults! After all the only difference between a cult and a religion are the number of people who believe in it . . .

@SuperBobby: Sorry, but I have never heard of even one legitimate non-Christian or non-Catholic scholar or historian out there who considers the bible to be a historical text. If you'd be so kind as to give names . . .

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.