Firearms

No one will listen to you because you sounds like not only an idiot but a crazy one at that.

If you want to go and debate gun ownership there is a nice little thread I created over in PP, go there.

Darkk Child: I would advise against loading more powder into a round, especially since it doesn't sound like you know what you are doing. As MetheGelfling has already said it can become very dangerous.

Jiraiya: I know people who do both, however the bow hunters almost always take a sidearm with them because of the bears and other large cats in this area.

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So which is it? Handguns are pointless as you said earlier in this thread or as you just stated (completely contradicting yourself I might add) that a sidearm is good defensive tool used while hunting?

I'm not really sure I would want to try and hunt a large brown bear with a bow. Seems rather ineffective to hunt an animal that can take three .45 rounds and still keep coming at you.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Untrained? Your a joke Arrowhead. I am exceptionally trained in the use of a firearm both through personal use of gun, gun safety training, and the fine training provided by this great nations military.

What I can see from your line of thought is this, you're a snob Arrowhead. You think because you spend time to learn a skill that you are better than those who choose a more effective way to hunting which you may not realize takes a whole new set of skills to properly use. This is not to say I am against bow hunting as I do love archery but for the purpose of hunting, home defense, and weapons of war a firearm out matches a bow and arrow in every aspect except sound but even that can compensated for.

Canada allows shotguns doesn't it? Have you ever been skeet shooting? That is fun. Then again from the sound of it you probably enjoy the hunt just as much as the act of shooting the animal.

Ok no more arguing about bow vs gun, this isn't the point of this thread. If you would like to continue to debate this, take it up with me in PM.

Darkk Child: Yeah my grandfather reloads ammo all the time, but you got to beware of hot boxing rounds that shouldn't be. Particularly if your gun isn't rated to handle that sort of ammo.

David4516: I'm with you, I don't plan on hunting a bear with a bow anytime soon. Besides the fact that I don't like the taste of bear meat. I think I will stick to deer and elk.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Arrowhead

Well actually, at close range (which is how a bow is used in hunting), I'd expect that an arrow is every bit as devastating as a bullet, if not more. Of course it all depends on what calibre/type of bullet and firearm you're comparing to what arrow/head and bow.

As for "home defense", I stand firm in my belief that a firearm makes a home less safe, not more. Obviously someone with responsibility and extensive training like yourself can be trusted, but you're the exception rather than the rule. As for war, of course the firearm is superior to the bow, heh.

I believe because of the velocity of the bullet that it actually has a higher KJ of impact energy. Don't quote me on that though.

I agree that having guns in everyone's home is not the best idea, some just aren't responsible to operate a gun safely, the same can be said about cars :/. However everyone that I know who keeps firearms in their homes are people who are very safe with guns, not bumbling idiots that shoot everything in sight.

Yeah I hunt for meat, when I take down an animal I want to eat it not stick it up on my wall. I've never actually been bow hunting but the last time I used a bow I probably needed another 3 months of practice before I'd be ready to hunt with a bow. That was a few years ago.

While I'd love to put down a gun for a year or two just to use a bow but I can't. I'll be needing a rifle in less than a year when I get deployed.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Kamui

On a sidenote, since we're talking about weapons...

Are telescopic baton worth anything?

I don't have the means to bu a 400$ gun along with the ammo and permit so I was wondering if such a baton would be helpful? Or just plain waste of money?

Well this is more of a firearms discussion... but you know you can get a Hi-Point pistol for about 100 dollars? A baton is more useful over say a bat because it is easier to conceal. However I don't know the laws of where you are so I don't suggest you hide this weapon on your person until you find out the specifics.

The real question is why do you need or want a baton?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

High-Point from what I can gather is not a bad handgun, basic and ugly but other than that I can't find any fault with them. They have gotten a bad name from improper stacking of the bullets in the magazine which will case a jam, simply smack the magazine hard once so the bullets are seated properly and you will have no problem with them. Beside Hi-Point is about 1/2 the price of a Makarov.

If you can muster about 350USD Luger's P90, P95, and P97 all offer VERY reliable handguns for a good price.

I agree with David on that though, you really need to know how to use a baton before you decide to carry one.

How ya doing, buddy?

Huh, was it used? The cheapest I've seen one go for was about 200. I'll have to look into those a little more. I do agree though, Hi-Points are large and ugly but they are of fairly sturdy construction. Good for plinking if nothing else.

Have you ever had the chance to fire a Luger P90? I've got my eye on a really nice one but I would like to hear about someones personal experience with said gun. As for the 2k rounds, I'd expect any decent pistol to be able to do that without a problem. I've heard of some pistols going through 20,000 rounds with almost no reduction in accuracy.

I've also heard good things about Walther PPK/S .380 from my grandfather who carries one with him at all times.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

lol I was really tired when I typed that. Yeah Ruger not Luger lol.

I agree with you, I wouldn't use one to carry but I'm sure they are great to learn on especially when you are trying to teach someone the basics of gun safety. I really wouldn't want to put a 1000 dollar pistol in the hands of some who has never fired one and might possibly drop it.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

There is a reason why you shouldn't play with things you don't know about... I wouldn't want a 40mm round that I found out in the woods anywhere near me. He should have at least had the smarts to make sure that it wasn't a live round.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Encephalon have you ever considered getting a CHL?

How ya doing, buddy?