Does responsibility curve outwardly in favor of the less fortunate?

Id make a poll on this, but I dont see an option. Anyway, the options would be

-Its okay to have a child at any moment in life becuase of human rights, despite poverty and bad economic conditions

-Its not okay to have a child at any moment in life because you must first be financially and securely able to do so

btw, this thread isnt a continuation, but rather, it was only inspired from the particular topic. below in the spoilers are some responses to some people, and none of you dont need to look at them.

Also, I apologize to anyone who took it upon themselves to feel offended, maybe we can talk it over tea and be friends? You never know =)

Spoiler:

I am quite surprised that my few comments have done, seeing as I rarely post here, also, I feel I should prolly address some people who have asked me questions and responded to my comments, despite myself being removed from that particular thread.

Originally Posted by a lurker

Actually, I don't see what the problem is. The man can support his family/ies, he was on his way to doing just that. he even saved a life in the process; that's what I call a productive day. I mean I don't know what you object to Darsh, since apparently his ability to feed his family is not in question.

Is this the pain of an unplanned pregnancy-cum-teenager? Is this what it's like to be an unwanted child?

I'm glad it wasn't christian guilt that compelled my parents to keep me. I feel for you, I really do.

Ive already given the guy kudos for saving a child, but now you are giving him credit for something he has not even done yet, and conversely, I am criticizing him for something he has done not once but 4 times already. What I object to is having children when you are not financially able, I find it irresponsible when people do this because it harms the child, and what Im referring to is that the man had 4 children, though he couldnt afford one. I never said anything about child termination, but the safer alternative; use protection or dont have sex at all. Despite the many comments toward me, its actually not that sinister to suggest such responsibility!

Also, I never uttered my religious stance, nor a racist remark (except in reference), or profanity , yet you imply that I follow a christian doctrine when you mention guilt, Ive been called a cracker despite being part hisapanic and given a few occasional "fuck yous" from people grasping at straws to and not posting on topic. I hardly come to these forums, and even more I rarely post, but if most feel compelled to see me as evil because of a mere remark about responsibilty, by all means, just officailly say that this forum is only for liberal ideas and left wing comments! As an admin, Im sure you would take my comments into consideration, thank you for reading and let us rejoice.

Helleluyah

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So...if I have 2 kids unplanned and after a while my wife or girlfriend or shmoo gives a fuck is no longer in the picture for whatever reason and I am left taking care of them....and then later - I get hooked up with this girl who already has 3 kids of her own and I do something out of my way to make sure ALL kids and parties in quetion are well fed and thoroughly taken care of...
...then that makes me a lazy irresponsible fuckwit because A) I had kids in the first place without "making proper planning and B) I took on the responsibility of kids who didn't have a proper father figure in their life to begin with?
WHA-HUH?? Did I read that right? Is that what you are saying or do I need better clarification because...wow. Please make sure this is not what you are saying because if it is heaven help your seed if you ever try to have a random fuck and the condom breaks.

-he had 4 kids
-the mother took care of the 4 kids, not the father
-if he cant take care of his kids first, why add additional children to his burden?
-yes, I find it irresponsible to have that many kids if you cant afford them in the first place, please tell me why that is wrong.
-if the condom breaks, then theres the morning after pill, and worse case scenario; abortion, but Im sure the condom broke on him 4 times, right?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Encephalon

Goddamnit... You're having THIS fucking argument again in a DIFFERENT thread? You gotta be fucking kidding me.

You muppets have exactly ONE PAGE to prove that this can yield positive discussion or I'll merge it with the "wetback saved a life but FUCK THAT SPIC FOR PUNCHING OUT FIFTY KIDS" thread since it's pretty much the exact same thing that's being discussed here anyway.

read my first post

Originally Posted by me

btw, this thread isnt a continuation, but rather, it was only inspired from the particular topic.

This is a simple question w/o a subject

Also, I havent responded ITT to anyone so far because I want to listen to what people have to say, and I dont want to believe that most poeple here are like you, who simply throw fits and insults when youre left grasping at straws for an argument.

Also, its about 50/50 on the poll, can you give it another additional page to see where the community leans on this question, which though was inspired, but hasnt really referenced a particular incident btw.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

I put my unrelated responses in spoilers so the poll wouldnt have biased context for the reader and I feel that the poll wont really lean to a particular side since it still seems about 50/50, give or take 2 or 3 votes that will prolly balance itself out, not to mention that there is no right or wrong answer (yay, everyone wins!), because this is just some personal opinions and thoughts.

Originally Posted by Sassafrass

What one person/couple does is their business. You can not control how a person reproduces, as it's none of your goddamn business. Whether they're poor or rich, intelligent or stupid - whatever - it's none of your business.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

It is never, ever okay to mandate morality. It's fucking stupid, and insulting, and treads all over the rights of the individual.

I think rules we learned when we were younger all revolved around responsibility; get your work done, be fair to others, be considerate etc. If you arent able to raise a child, and it falls into the custody of the state, or if you are not able to give your child the necesarry items or you harm the child by keeping them unhealthy (which wouldnt be the individuals/cpuples business anymore, but someone elses at this point), then actions should be taken to not mandate "morality", but responsibility.
Of course not all unplanned births lead to this kind degree, even some unexpected parents make great moms and dads, but this kind of abuse and degrading of life happens, and I feel that it could be prevented.


also, forcing a person to get sterile is another argument

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Originally Posted by Fresh Frank

Look, I know we got two staff in here already, but this motherfucker has got to be a dupe of someone. Seriously, he's being a fuckwit intentionally at this point. And, while his antics are somewhat amusing, he's more insulting than anything.

Darsh, if that is your real name, you do realize every single point you've tried to established has been refuted, right? Why not call it quits and tell us which name you did your jackassery before? That or just crawl back under your rock, either one.

Nothings been refuted, most responses at me are just attacks rather than on topic responses
also, what is going on with all the swearing? please think of the children. Also, Im not a dupe, check my posts, last thing I posted was on Nov 20, and before that it was on Jan 18, and before that was Nov 2006.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.