The Middle East spirals out of control!

This conflict could show wheter iran is serious about its threats to annihilate Israel or just full of shit. What better opprtunity could the Iranians want to show Muslim solidarity and help their Hezbollah puppets that to strike Israel now. If they don't act it will show them to be weak in the eyes of other Islamic nations, if they do act, it could widen the war to huge proportions. It has already been stated that the Israeli korvette that was hit wasn't hit by a drone, but by a more sophisticated Iranian supplied missile. Some sources say it was a Silkworm anit ship missile. The Isreali SAAR 5 korvette has a very good anit missile system and its hard to believe it was struck by a primitve slow flying drone aircraft. If Iran is supplying Hezbollah with Silkworm missiles this escalates things quite a bit.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

If Hezbollah is not a terrorist organization, maybe you could tell us just what miltary targets they are attempting to hit with these rockets and missiles. Indiscriminately launching rockets at populated cities and towns, seems like a terrorist action to me. Hezbollah doesn't even attempt to claim the civilians they murder as collateral damage, since killing civilians is their goal, as opposed to those killed by the Israeli air strikes.

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Originally Posted by Adamgian

And yet they've still managed to kill roughly 700 civilians, and considering the amount of ordinance used for an army roughly 3000 strong, its excessive..

How many of this "700 civilians" number are hezbollah fighters? Have yet to see any figures on how many Hezbollah have been killed, so you have to assume that a large number of this 700 are Hezbollah, and not "innocent" civilians. The civilians killed by hezbollah rockets in israel however are undisputably civilians, since Israel also releases seperate numbers for their military KIA.

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Originally Posted by Rock

Tony, what I'm trying to say is that you seem to lack the ability to put yourself in the place of the Lebanese people.

And you are wrongfully assuming that all of the lebanese people are behind hezbollah. Lebanon is roughly 40% Christian, and most of that 40% would much rather see hezbollah defeated and removed from their country. The Christian militias for the most part abided by the peace treaties of the past and disarmed, leaving them in no position to challenge the Iran and Syria supported Hezbollah.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The Lebanese Christians do not support Hezbollah, neither do the Druse,
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/...d/4094118.html

The fact that a handful of Christian Lebanese leaders have voiced support of hezbollah is more indicative of a fear of Hezbollah or Syrian retaliation than of anger aginst israel.

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Why would Christians be afraid of Hezbollah?...because Hezbollah uses them as human shields?
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=7314

From a New York Times article;

"But for some of the Christians who had made it out in this convoy, it was not just privations they wanted to talk about, but their ordeal at the hands of Hezbollah — a contrast to the Shiites, who make up a vast majority of the population in southern Lebanon and broadly support the militia.

“Hezbollah came to Ain Ebel to shoot its rockets,” said Fayad Hanna Amar, a young Christian man, referring to his village. “They are shooting from between our houses.”

“Please,’’ he added, “write that in your newspaper"

the article continued

"One woman, who would not give her name because she had a government job and feared retribution, said Hezbollah fighters had killed a man who was trying to leave Bint Jbail.

“This is what’s happening, but no one wants to say it” for fear of Hezbollah, she said. "

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This is an interesting article from the New Yorker magazine from 2002

http://www.newyorker.com/fact/content/?021014fa_fact4

This war should suprise no one. The maniacal anti semetic hatred of Hezbollah is well documented and highlighted well in the article.

Just a tid bit from a Hezbollah leader quoted in the article

""The Jews are sons of pigs and apes," Na'im said"

But lets negotiate with these folks!

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Can any of you "land for peace" advocates name one time where when Israel ceded land peace was the outcome? Israel exited Gaza, forcible removing Israeli citizens and what happened? Palestinian aggression against Israel. Israel has been out of southern lebanon for years. The result...Hezbollah rearmed, against U.N. mandates, and proceeded to attack Israel. Do any of you really think that if Israel were to give back the entire West Bank, that the Arabs would be satisfied and stop their war of aggression? The Hezbollah leader quoted in the New Yorker article stated that their goal is the annihilation of Israel as a nation. He said that the jews could then "go back to Germany or wherever they came from" and that the Jews who had lived in Palestine before Israel could stay, as a minority, under Muslim rule. Any of you who think that land for peace is a viable option are living in a fantasy world.

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Reuters has suspended a Lebanese photgrapher for altering photos to show more smoke and destruction in the aftermath of an Israeli raid. Make you question how accurate all of the other dead baby death and destruction accounts are that are coming out of Lebanon.

http://today.reuters.com/news/articl...ews-TopNews-10

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Originally Posted by Rock

I fear you're right in assuming this. Because whatever happens, the overall situation in the middle east is getting worse with every day of this conflict.

Not a single goal was achieved since the war started almost a month ago. Hezbollah leader Nasrallah is alive, so is Hezbollah itself, most of their rocket launchers are intact, they still hold southern Lebanon and the IDF has seemingly lost their capability of achieving quick military victories and thus, the power of deterrence. On top of all this, we have hundreds of dead civilians and close to a million displaced people without food, water and health supplies.

Without starting another quote-war and citing countless sources, I think it's pretty obvious by now that the Israeli government has gotten themselves into a very bloody mess.

Fists of all, the Israelis haven't gotten themselves into this mess, the unprovoked attack by Hezbollah is what started this mess. The very fact that the IDF hasn't just rolled all over Lebanon, occupying the entire country is not evidence of a lack of IDF capability but a demonstration of the extreme restrait thta has been used by the Israelis. Had israel wanted to they could be in Damascus now and there is not much Lebanon or Syria could do about it militarily. Isreal, if anything is guilty of following a Rumsfeldian concept of limited war, which, as we see in iraq, is seldom successful. They would have been much better off to roll into southern Lebanon in full force, instead of on a tit for tat basis.

How ya doing, buddy?