[Movie] "Villains" - Heroes Season 3 Thread

Originally Posted by Dhsu

I enjoyed it quite a bit, but I did have a few gripes:

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Ol' Pete couldn't teleport Claire to heal Nathan? Also at going back to the whole "I'm self-mutilating to see if I have a soul" thing.

Not a gripe, but still waiting for Noah's power. He's got to have one, right? I mean besides being supernaturally awesome to the max.

Hiro's "I won't go 2 minutes into the past" thing is a pretty lame copout.

I can understand she-Flash displacing air and stuff, but what the dumb is with the residual red trails. That's not how persistence of vision works, people.

Niki, Linderman, and Nathan *all* being resurrected in the same episode. Who's next, D.L.? It's going to be hard to take any "crisis" seriously after that.

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He didn't teleport Claire to heal Nathan because it was Peter from the future that was on the phone with her. He'd already swapped out the other Peter.

While Hiro refusing to go back to the past at all is a little silly, going to ask his father about a formula he's only supposed to know about would be a very bad idea. It would essentially be the same as telling his father when he's going to die.

While the resurrections are kind of lame, they're not that bad. You can't keep Nathan dead after the way Noah was brought back last season, Linderman isn't really alive, and Nikki's special since she's using the freezing powers Sylar stole back in season 1.

My only real gripe was Claire's emo fit about pain. Since she didn't notice until she had glass in her hand, it can be assumed that she's not numb, just incapable of feeling extreme sensation like pain. That's pretty handy and hardly cause to start questioning her humanity.

Oh, and I knew Mohinder would go Hulk/Thing. When are scientists going to learn not to test their untested and unfinished gene splicing solutions on themselves?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Tonight's episode was good, but it had quite a few holes and things that just bugged me in general.

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I was glad to see Claire finally give up the whole "I just want to be normal" spiel, but then one minor dose of pain to show her what she'd be up against and she decides to run off alone? Her character seems destined to be annoying no matter what path she takes. God help us if she hooks up with the flying boy again to fight crime.

African Man has the most depressing power ever. He can see the future, but only for some random cop on the other side of the world who leads a miserable life and hates himself. He works as a plot device, but the rest of his life must have been really boring and difficult to explain to the other villagers.

And of course, capturing Hiro and Ando seems more than a little pointless. Unless the Haitian is appointed to permanent guard duty they can leave whenever they want. At least Ando got the best line so far, though.

"What are doing?!"
"I'm being awesome!"

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Apparently they've all just decided that plans are too much work this season.

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"Hey guys, let's go attack Past Peter while he's hanging out with Sylar. No need to bring anyone with actual fighting strength!"

Not saying the other side in that fight was any brighter, since the whole fight could've been easily avoided if either one of them had just stopped time for a minute. They put more effort into fighting normal guards back in season 1 than they are against other people with abilities.

And then there are the plans they do bother to have, but make no sense. Digging up Adam couldn't be a good idea in any conceivable way.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

The difference with the healing was that Claire's stick wound and Peter's glass shard from S1 were in their brains, thus preventing the healing. Sylar was only shot in the chest this season so the healing forced the bullets out. Of course, this doesn't explain how a few shots to the chest managed to seemingly kill Future Peter for real, even after the Haitian had gone out of range.

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Future Peters always have facial scars. They keep them as reminders of some mistake that screwed up the world as well as the +2 it gives to Badassery.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Knighthawk, if you're going to spoil future episodes then please mark your spoilers as such.

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It would've been surprising to have Mr. Petrelli show up at the very end if NBC hadn't been running constant promos announcing his return and making it sound like all of last night's episode was going to revolve around him. Having Maury Parkman planting the Linderman visions would've been surprising if they hadn't essentially spelled it out before revealing it this episode. Then to make up for all the surprising twists they kept ruining ahead of time, we had Hiro stab Ando for no reason at all and with no hesitation.

I'm really not sure what to make of this season so far. It feels better than last season, but every episodes seems to have more and more plot holes. For instance, why Sylar couldn't hear a loud conversation 20 feet away when he has super hearing. I liked Void Guy too.

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Originally Posted by Kishin

I don't know why people even bother finding plot holes, let alone whine about them. In shows like this and Lost they're not the main point. Some people just don't want to recognize this as high-production-value nonsense-entertainment?

The problem is that you don't even have to try to find them, because they've been so glaringly obvious lately. They don't ruin the show by any means, but their frequency is getting a little annoying.

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But he's also spent this whole time getting them back, proven by him still using telekinesis. The loss of his abilities was only temporary.

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I guess he retained telekinesis because it was his first then. Doesn't make much sense, but convenient plot-wise I suppose.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Sousuke

Also, Sylar said in the car later that "You told him to kill me." or something along those lines. I think he did hear what was going on, but didn't know how to deal with it; especially with Void guy around.

Sylar just figured it out from watching the situation. It was pretty clear even without hearing them what Noah tried to do. He didn't hear them though, because every time it cut to Sylar watching the conversation there was no sound and he had a slightly confused look on his face as he was trying to figure out what Noah was saying.

Phantom makes a good point too. I forgot all about him using Sprague's power a few episodes ago.

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My bigger problem with all the Sylar and Elle stuff is how it's come completely out of nowhere. They've met and faced off several times before now, but until the flashback episode last week neither of them had ever given even the slightest indication that they knew each other. Nothing. Now they conveniently bring up "oh yeah, remember that time you saved my life and we sorta dated for awhile?"

I was fine with Hiro reverting to being 10 years old. Sure it's a bit repetitive to send him on another journey to become a hero again, but you know what? I'd almost rather have a whole episode dedicated to Hiro and Ando hanging out at the chicken & waffles bowling alley than see the other people being idiots.

The promo for next week's episode really pissed me off. They built up the big mystery of what the eclipse would do, and then the commercial came on and announced "NEXT WEEK EVERYONE LOSES THEIR POWERS BECAUSE OF THE ECLIPSE." Gee, thanks. The show even offered up a perfect tagline equivalent to "save the cheerleader, save the world" by repeating "it's coming" over and over, but NBC decided to ignore that and spoil the plot instead.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I was distracted by how this was the longest eclipse ever. They usually last what, five minutes at most? Yet this one had to be going on for several hours. Not to mention how no one seemed capable of piecing together that the eclipse had something to do with their powers being gone.

At least Hiro was great as usual. THE CORN WILL NOT STOP.

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So who else managed to watch all of this week's episode? Good lord that was terrible. I don't think I've facepalmed that much since Flying Kid was around last season.

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I wasn't hoping for much since the episode started off by rewriting the end of the last one. Last time we saw Noah he had a sniper rifle aimed straight at Sylar's head while he and Elle were standing up in front of a window. This time he fired a few random shots through the window while Sylar and Elle were laying down. Either the writers are total idiots or Noah sat there watching them get sexy for awhile.

I won't even go into all the other things wrong with this ep. Between Daphne's "cerebral palsy", Mohinder hoping for (and almost getting) a bit of the magical relationship forgiveness that's been going around, and all the progress Sylar's character has made being tossed out the window it was just horrible.

Of course, Hiro still managed to be awesome as usual. Sure Claude and Noah's boss were mysteriously absent in the last scene, but at least he's not doing anything immensely stupid.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by striped phantom

I seriously thought that was the last we saw of Maya.

Sadly, not everyone who moves to New Jersey disappears forever.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Peter

I have to say that this season has been a huge disappointment, and unless the finale is better than everything else we've seen, I think I'll just stop watching it.

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How is it that Arthur can travel through time though? Yes, he had an encounter with Hiro in Africa, but I always thought that he TOOK people's powers, not copy them, as was seen with Peter, Adam and Maya. This really seems to be a cheap move, but what else would you expect with the show's mountain of inconsistencies.

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That bugged me for awhile too, and then I remembered that he stole all of Peter's powers. Peter had Hiro's power, so it makes sense. Now how he knew to be there at that exact moment in the past is a different story, and it doesn't make the episode's ending any less cheap and dumb.

I actually liked the episode aside from Deus Ex Machina Man. Maybe it's just my extremely lowered expectations after last week's horrible episode or the large amount of Hiro scenes, but I thought it was pretty good.

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Yeah, Puppet Guy is just randomly alive again, apparently. The sad thing is that was the least of the stupidity in this week's episode. Apparently Mohinder's legendary idiocy has spread to the entire cast except for Noah and Mrs. Bennet. Peter's plan to trade the best leverage he could possibly hope to get in exchange for one (and later two) people was probably the pinnacle, though Claire tripping over a trashcan or something and ruining her mom's diversion was close.

Somewhere this Rebel guy is banging his head against his desk, wondering why all of his pawns have to be such morons.

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