X-Men 3

I'm just not getting good impressions of this movie. It has nothing to do with the new characters, and nothing to do with special effects. I have every confidence that both will be acceptable, at least. It's just the way that the story seems to be getting mangled. I'm not against changes to the comic book continuity, not in any way. The cartoon series managed to "remix" X-Men continuity to magnificent effect. It is simply the nature of the proposed changes that bother me.

I always thought that the Phoenix saga, and the Dark Phoenix saga represented the pinnacle of what I found enjoyable about the X-Men. The fact that the people writing the scripts for this film don't seem to understand the sort of things that made X-Men awesome to begin with is becoming apparent.

It's also becoming painfully apparent that you can't tell the kind of genuinely epic stories that X-Men was famous for through the medium of a series of films, unless they are planned out from the begining. In the comics, Phoenix Saga led to Dark Phoenix Saga, which led to the whole arc with Madeleine Pryor, and the repercussions of that sequence of events were felt for years.

I'm not saying it's fair to blame the films for not being comic books, but it does make me feel a pang. I do believe that even in the medium of film, more could have been done, and should have been.

Originally Posted by LeHah

Before Jubilee it was Shadowcat/Spirte/Kitty Pryde. They just recycled the same father/daughter relationship from better years.

So true. The relationship was significantly better in the case of Kitty Pryde, too. While I always found Kitty to be a cute character who was rarely annoying, Jubilee isn't on the same level. I'm not saying that I outright dislike Jubilee, but the writers never really seemed to decide what to do with her, until relatively late in the life of the character. She was also more prone to unfunny attempts at humour than Kitty ever was. I regard Kitty's early years with a distinct fondness. I regard Jubilee's early years with mixed feelings. She could be cool. She could also be lame as hell.

I'm also in full agreement with your assesment of Gambit. It's been my experience that liking Gambit is a symptom of being a n00b.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LeHah

I disagree. Though this is the most expensive and elaborate of the X-Men movies - the deemphasis on "new material" and having "nothing to do with special effects" should force out - GASP - a good story.

You don't find the things that have been changed make you uneasy, then? It isn't that I'm against changing things, but the specific changes that have already come to light seem like changes for the worse, to me.

It just seems to me that the kind of writer who would make those kind of changes isn't the kind of writer I trust to be able to write an excellent story which is in keeping with the tone associate with the X-Men franchise.

It's important to me that the movies should, as far as is possible, remain in keeping with the tones established by the comic books, and preferably the older comic books. There's so much more to what makes X-Men great than just flashy powers and whizz-bang explosions.

I don't think the movie will be a disaster, certainly. I just don't think it will be outstanding, and given how much of a fan I was through the 80s and early 90s, I'd love for this movie to be outstanding.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LeHah

1.) Whats changed?

I thought you said that they were changing the nature of Jean's powers, for one thing. I'd always hoped that they would do something Phoenix related at some point or another. They couldn't do it now, even if they wanted to, could they?

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Be willing to hear them out is all.

Of course, I will. I'll have my tickets booked for the first night at the local multiplex. I'm only complaining so much because I care so much. It's not going to stand between me and watching the film.

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I'd rather another Hulk (overly long, overly intelligent) than another Daredevil (too short, too stupid)

Well, if those are the choices... The latter seems to be what Joe Public wants from a comic book to movie adaptation though. Perhaps not in the case of Daredevil - I don't know how that performed. It's certainly the case that some comic book movies that I would have described as bordering on moronic did well at the box office. It's possible that we disagree, but I have no idea how Blade Trinity managed to avoid losing money.

How ya doing, buddy?