North American Union

Originally Posted by Denicalis

How in the fuck does this have anything to do with religion?

I have to admit that I was wondering this myself, but I didn't really want to give LordsSword the opportunity to open that particular debate. Still it should be interesting to see his response.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Nice to see you again!

In a spirit of diplomacy, I'll say that it is interesting to see you again. I've been observing your posts in your most favoured thread with some interest. I am banned from that thread, which is perhaps for the best. In any event, all that I am missing out on is you having much the same discussion with Sassafrass as you have previously had with me. I trust you're enjoying it.

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People, please refrain from slamming the bible. I already know the common views for and against the book.

Nobody was doing that even a little in this thread. I see a total of three people confused as to exactly what this has to do with religion, and none of them have criticised the Bible in any way. I think you're perhaps seeing what you expect to see.

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Its taught in some circles that the start of end times is a bloodless conquest of the worlds nations.

It seems that to believe that the "end times" are close at hand is endemic to Christianity. At any given time in history, the signs can be seen if one is looking for them. The world has thus far failed to end. There seems to me little value in discussing something over which humans would have no control over, were it to take place.

Are you not interested in discussing the political implications of a hypothetical North American Union at all? This is the Political Palace, not the Religious Romper Room, you know.

While I certainly don't blame Denicallis for asking the obvious question, I knew it would lead to such a discussion as this. You could just have not mentioned religion in regards of this topic. There's plenty to discuss without involving religion. Primarily we should be discussing how this is a wild conspiracy theory which could almost certainly never come to pass. I'm pretty certain that the Canadians would have a lot to say about becoming politically united with the United States.

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Asia is not far behind either.

I won't deny the possibility of Asian nations merging their economic strength to a certain degree, in the attempt to compete more effectively with the West. However, that would be about all I would expect. There is a great deal of rivalry and hatred between the countries of East Asia, and I really do doubt that China and Japan would ever agree to any kind of political union.

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Originally Posted by Sassafrass

I had this insanely long post asking him what it had to do with religion as well, but I thought posting it would only encourage him to do exactly what he is doing now.

Already you know him so well.

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Anyways, I think it's kind of ridiculous idea. It sounds more to me like America is fed up dealing with it's own issues of border protection and is just throwing in the towel.

Pretty much. I can imagine that it might lead to a far more open policy regarding immigration into America, which wouldn't be entirely a bad thing. After all, immigrants do take American jobs, but only the ones most Americans would rather not do.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Yes I am having the time of my life. It's too bad you cant contribute. I would have expected you to have grown in different ways.

Different ways than I have, or different ways than those in which I was "growing" before? Either way, it's kinda off topic, but I'm curious.

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I just wanted to set the tone before things got out of hand.

Things showed no signs of getting out of hand. You could have just not made any religious reference in your first post, and waited until the topic was up and running before making a move in that direction. As part of the free flow of lively debate, I dare say it might have been readily accepted.

As it stands, with the current degree of off-topic posting, I fully expect this thread to be closed, since it doesn't have any kind of coherent debate taking place.

The political threads are moderated rather pro-actively around here. I'm sure you won't find that particular attitude at all unfamiliar.

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My religious buddies have some interest in a deal like this, so much so the airwaves are full of converstions about it.

If you want to take in that direction, I'm willing to go with you. I don't see a problem with it, if I try to view this move from a Christian point of view. The whole of the Americas have a Christian presence, and have done for hundreds of years. In fact, the Christian presense in American nations other than the United States may be even stronger than that within the United States. You'd still be part of a country with a strong Christian tradition.

If that's not your objection, then it must be that which you mentioned before, that a "bloodless conquest" may be seen as the herald of the end times". I would have to say that in this instance, the notion does not hold up to scrutiny at first glance.

Who is the Antichrist in all of this? I would not expect a conservative individual such as yourself to advocate that George W. Bush should be considered the Antichrist. It is he who will take over the Earth in a bloodless conquest, according to the eschatological writings I have read.

I would also point out that North America is only a small part of the Earth, and that unless this Union plans to extend their reach, they don't really fullfil the terms of the prophesies.

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There are political implications but right now my people are just grumbling about the prospect of such a union.

Explain why. You've already opened the whole can of worms, so you might as well not hold back.

How ya doing, buddy?