UK Shits Bed Before US

Originally Posted by LeHah

Does anyone even care anymore? While this is 'across the pond', I have little doubt that it's a mirror image of what American will go through in the same extent. Why is the government undermining the rights in which their people died for?

I care a lot, but I'm in a minority. This thing has too much momentum for the number of people who care to stop it. My own father believes that the only reason anyone would object is because they are guilty of a crime. That doesn't make him unusual.

Originally Posted by Robo Jesus

As stupid as the law that England just passed is, the fact that it came from England doesn't surprise me in the least, as that country has never really cared about concerns like abuse of power or the personal freedoms of its citizens.

Too damn right. If you believe in personal freedom, that must make you a dangerous and seditious individual. Hell, the only reason anyone wants "personal freedoms" is so that they can commit crimes anyway... right? That's what most of the English seem to believe.

Originally Posted by El Ray Fernando

This by no means is law yet, its only a proposition. Face it this will never get passed in the UK.

I ain't saying that I don't agree with all of the points that you made in your post. However, I am saying that the chances are not as small as you think. The government's majority may have shrunk, but these kind of laws are the way the wind is blowing anyway. Both major parties would love this kind of law to be passed.

All you Americans out there reading this thread should get some kind of a laugh out of the fact that this is our supposed left-wing party. It just goes to show you that despite most people's flawed understanding of politics there are really two axes (at least) along which you need to plot the stance of a political party.

The left-wing party we have in the UK are an authoritarian left-wing party, and they are not moderate on either axis. The opposing right-wing party are only moderately polarised towards authoritarian policies, but there is no mainstream libertarian element in British politics. Ain't that a stinker?

Personally, if given the choice, I'd rather vote for a party that were moderate libertarians, and just left of centre on the progressive/conservative axis. That's just me though. I'm only one man.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Lord Styphon

IAnd it doesn't change the main idea behind Brady's post, that of democratic processes being protected not by elected representatives but by unelected nobility.

Most of them really aren't the nobility in the way you'd think, though. It's worse than that. Most of them just did something for the sitting government at some time in their lives, and got a favour in return. You get named to the Upper House for all sorts of dumb crap.

There's nowhere I can't reach.