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Old Apr 4, 2006, 10:32 AM #1 of 73
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I'm a strong supporter to keep our country whole - but if they want to have another refferendum, and decide that they want to be own thier own, then they can leave - and leave all of the federal support with it.

Canada is a great place to live, and be a part of - I don't think that the seperatists realize how good they've got it.
First off, referendums are held for a mandate to negotiate seperation, not seperate entirely.

Secondly, the Clatiry Act will prevent Quebec from seperating anytime soon.

Thirdly, the Government of Canada has an obligation to keep watch on Quebec to protect minorities. Wuebec has an awful record of mistreating Anglos and Allos, misspending money that could have been useful on the "language police", and so on.

Anglos have been in Quebec for three centuries, and we're not leaving. One day, the anglophones of Quebec will once again have their total freedom of expression!

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Old Apr 5, 2006, 03:49 PM #2 of 73
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EDIT: A long time ago, indians lived here. Frenchies from Europes came and killed the indians and took over the land. Then time passed. Then some people rebelled and said "Fuck You" to the Frenchies and created their culture. Then the English came here and kicked the French Quebecors' asses and they said "Speak English or die!" and some said "Fuck You" and got killed. Then time passed. Then a little law passed and asked English bussinesses to advertise in French then in English, then everyone freaked out. Idiots from Quebec's French community screamed "You speak English I hate you!" and then Idiots from Quebec's English Community replied "Oh yeah? Well we hate you too!!".
Are you insane?
Firstly, Canadien culture came about out of neccesity and not as a rebllion to France.
Secondly,The British gave all sorts of powers to the French-Canadian community through the Quebec Act and allowed French civil law to go on existing. For a conquest, those are some pretty damn generous terms. Throughout it's history as a colony and Canadian province, Quebec was allowed to keep its own French institutions by allowing the Catholic church to continue community operations in French.
Thirdly, Bill 101 didn't "ask" English businesses to advertise in French, it forces English people into French schools, French advertising and business in French. It even had an appeal at the UN! It was an active attempt to destroy Anlgo culture and forced us (or tried to) to speak a lanuage that's not our own. Even the British colonial office never passed such a repressive law.

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Can't you see we have a whole different culture here in Quebec? If everyone speaks English, then we lose most of that beautiful language we have up here!
I have no qualm with people speaking French. It seems that some nationalists ahve a problem with anyone speaking, educating or going about their business with English in Quebec!

Anglos have been in Quebec for centuries, we are part of the province, too. Don't tell us to go home...we already are at home!

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Old Apr 6, 2006, 10:21 AM #3 of 73
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Also, the thing with French here is that LAW 101 protects it. Imagine this okay? English is the most talked language in the world right next with Chinese, if the law didn't exist, the majority of shops, bussinesses and others would advertise in English only since the majority of the world and the rest of Canada speaks it, so why bother with the French? Then a dozen years later, only a handful of people will be speaking it and we'll just get eaten by the rest of it.
So you FORCE immigrants into your culture? To be honest, if your culture can't stay alive by positive means (ie, encouraging Quebecosi art, culture and discussion) and you're resorting to outright opression to keep it alive (forcing American, British and other English-speaking immigrants into a school where they are bound to struggle as they learn boht the material and a new lanuage), perhaps it's time for the nationalists to have a long, hard talk with themsleves.

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True, the post-Conquest political stance was awfully generous to the French-speaking populace, but do you know why? It was by sheer number force, simple as that. The French-speaking inhabitants, even after the post-Conquest influx of immigration, outnumbered the English-speaking ones by a significant margin. Forcing the immense majority of a population to change their way of life could have easily led to an uprising, especially if they didn't support the Catholic Church (which in turn supported them) like they did, since faith was very important to the French inhabitants. It was a generous deal, but one rather forced by the circumsyances, it wasn't entirely out of the good will of her Majesty.
Goodwill or not, it still happend, and that's what important. I never claimed it was done out of goodwill, I merely claimed that it did, in fact, occur.

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'Witch-Hunting' English people when we'll get our country.
Given that it was the Feds who protected us when nationalists came to power, I don't see our situation improving in the...unlikely event of a Republic of Quebec. Nationalists are the kind of people who would kisnap one of their own (an elected official), kill him and mock him in a subsequent communique. Then, two decades later, rig a referendum AND lose. Good luck at meeting Clarity Act standards with that kind of attitude.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.
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Old Apr 6, 2006, 07:38 PM #4 of 73
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As much as I don't like Sketch, I'm going to have to somewhat agree with him. While I don't particularly like Bill 101 because it FORCES people to use a language that they may otherwise not want to use, the law does make sense. Also, loyalist, get off your soapbox and take your biggotry elsewhere. You obviously HATE francophones, so just move out of the province already.
When did I say ANYTHING anti-Francophone? I happen to live and work with Francohphones. I just don't agree with nationalists and despise nationalists who seek to impose their will. An accusation of hatred is a very grave one indeed, and, if I were you, i'd lern to hold my tongue when it's appropriate.

I happen to love Quebec, and I do miss her so, as I am attending university in Ontario. However, why should my family and others like me leave he home they love , ignoring the centuries-old multicultural heritage there?

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The October '70 Crisis is not representative of all of Quebec nationalists, especially now. The FLQ always was a fringe idealistic group: some people may have agreed with their left-wing values and their stance on independance, but that all shattered the first time they killed someone. Do you sincerely think nationalist Quebecers approved the kidnapping of James Cross and the assasination of Pierre Laporte...?
My miswording, and I apologize. I know that the FLQ was definately on the fringe, and that the killing of Pierre Laporte ultmately broguht their downfall due to a washing out of nationalist support.

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While you are at it, can you tell me how and why did the federal government protect you from the nationalists?
The Supreme court stepping in and forcing Quebec to modify Bill 101.

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Old Apr 22, 2006, 11:46 AM #5 of 73
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true, learning English is imperative to francophones. However, if immigrants only learn English, they are putting themselves appart from the rest of the province. Yes, the language of the majoirty on the continent is English; nevertheless, they ought to learn french too if they want to live in quebec.

I think it's just a matter of respect; when I go elsewhere in canada, i speak English; when ROC comes here, they should speak french
The federa; government requires all of its employees and military offciers to be blingual in order to accomodate the French minority, however, Quebec has no such accomdation for the English minority.

I was speaking idiomatically.
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Old Apr 23, 2006, 05:17 PM #6 of 73
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French grammar tests suck though - they're so difficult. I hope my advanced French classes at McGill don't kill me next fall/winter.
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Old Apr 24, 2006, 10:58 AM #7 of 73
No, the federal government's test.

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Old Apr 26, 2006, 10:52 AM #8 of 73
A rudimentary undertsanding is a good idea - I'm all for learning French. I just think that things ought to be equal for the English minority in Quebec as they are on the federal level for the French minority. English instruction in French schools, for exmaple,is far below the level of French instruction in English schools.

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Old May 1, 2006, 07:27 AM #9 of 73
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And this bilingualism was only a façade created by his assholness to make french quebecers believe they could be served in french coast to coast. True, services in English in Quebec might not be perfect... but at least they have never been abolished
What the hell are you taling about? Quebec provincial documents arten't even in English, never mind services...

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