[PS3] Plan on owning a PS3?

Speculative: No PC technology exists on the market that can rival the Cell Processor or the dual Nvidia 6800Ultra GPU (RSX), so it doesn't matter what you upgrade to, there's no way it'll be able to play games that look as good or better then the PS3. And only Super Computers have equal or more processing power then the PS3. http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,12...s/article.html

I'm not trying to shoot you down, that's just the way it is. Heck, a PC can do more things then any console can, so if you need a new PC, you need a new PC.

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Masamune: You might want to find out what's actually happening before you pretend to know what you're talking about. Sony isn't removing anything, the fact is that PAL games have different coding then NTSC games, therefore the BC has to be reprogrammed from scratch. And it's going to be BC with PS2 & 1 games, it's just going to take a couple of months to get it to 96%, same thing happened here. Only games that don't work are low budget "John Doe's Tournament Lawn Bowling" that no one cares about and two people own anyway. At least it's nothing major like copies of FF Tactics not working on the original PS2.

As for launch of the PS3, technically it's Sony's best launch yet by FAR. Sales are almost double that of when the PS2 launched, and the games for the PS3 are 500X better then the PS2 launch titles. With the NA launch really just a soft launch and the Euro launch the true launch the real beginning of the system, things are looking a lot brighter for the PS3 then they looked for the PS2 when it launched, and look where it went.

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Considering that all the games have been pushed back until the Euro launch, the NA launch was only a soft launch really.

March:
F1
MotorStorm
Oblivion
FEAR
Armoured Core
RS: Vegas
Godfather
Virtua Tennis 3
Enchanted Arms
Splinter Cell

What has been released since NA launch?? VF5, while it's a great game, so are a lot of the mentioned which were all held off till Euro launch, others were simply pushed back to launch when the system goes world-wide.

As for Blu-Ray the player is a bonus. As the PS2 was with DVD, the PS3 has BR because games are getting large to the point where it is needed for GAMES. LAIR is 20GB, Unreal Tournament 2007 30GB, and Blue Dragon for the 360 is 3 DVDs and we're barely past the first baby steps of next gen.

As for the graphic differental the leap will become smaller from one gen to the next. Doesn't matter what system you're talking about.

As for your point about people buying them to sell them on E-bay at launch. How is that a bad thing? That means that there's poeple on the other end willing to pay 200% or more for the console so I don't know how you think that that's bad for Sony in some way.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Well if they didn't also come out for the PS3 then they would be exclusive to the 360. It is required to take away your opposition's weapons as well as make your own. Therefore making games not on 360 ONLY is almost as inportant as making games that are PS3 only, decreasing the 360's exclusivity.

As for getting the information off discs, has there been any problems yet? Also unlike the 360, all PS3s have and HDD and developers and develop knowing that and can use the HDD to decrease loading times. Check IGN's preview of Oblivion for the PS3, 30 second load times has been decreased to roughly 6 seconds onthe PS3 version, so I don't think data access is an issue.

If graphical leaps arn't a big deal to you then why are you so concerned? If there's PS2/XBOX/GC games you want to play then play them. Just know that new games will be on next gen systems which is why I bought a 360 and a PS3. Lord knows that I still play my PS2 more then anything else still.

It's bad because there's systems on shelves, or because sales are low? I'm not saying that the sales are doing all that hot howecer they're still higher then the PS2 was at this time after launch. And the reason why there were fewer PS2s at this time was because Sony was only producing 450,000 a month where the PS3 is 1,000,000 for NA alone.

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Well the 360 is a force in NA and Euro, however Sony has Japan and UK locked down already with 2:1 PS3 to 360 in Japan. And the Wii really isn't in direct competition with the other two because it has an experiance that can't be copied by the other two nor can it copy Sony or MS so in other words the Wii's not really going to take away from the other two.

As to which of the PS3 or 360 wins is none of my concern. They're both going to have great exclusive games hands down, and to pick one is just limiting your experiance. However I'm also not going to call you a fool if you choose to wait in order to keep you from going bankrupt, because preices WILL come down.

What is my real concern, if you look over the last 2 gens, when the market was one sided. Sure it was easy to buy a PS system and you were set, however that was at the same time the factor that decreased advancement in the industry, without competition there was no reason to move ahead. I'm more interested in game mechanics then physical innovation like the Wii. And with the Sony lockdown on the industry developers have been able to lie back and make the same thing over and over and people were forced to like it or play nothing at all. My hopes with the 360 actually a competator for Sony, the two companies will force the lazy ass developers to wake the hell up and make games that are different and actually USE the power of these systems. Not so much in the way of graphics, more like how Blinx was for the Xbox in it's early days, it showed what an HDD in a system can do. Since the PS2 got a stranglehold on the industry after that point developers have just stopped trying to make things NEW. Which is my real problem.

In the end while we may not have a jump like we did from SNES to PS1, if the heated competition of 360 VS PS3 keeps steam it will be in the gamer's interest. No more of this one system to rule all BS, that's the worst thing that could happen. No matter who the one is. If the competition can keep up until the PS3 and the 720 come out then we might get our first technological leap after over a decade of market dominence on Sony's part.

I was speaking idiomatically.

To expect a killer app at launch is highly unrealistic. And in my opinion Resistance is the best launch title ever to me, because while I'm an RPG fan, Zelda is too easy and I don't have fun playing it. The only reason why the Wii sold well is due to Zelda, which doesn't even show off the Wii's controls all that well.

More to point though, the Wii is not going to cut into PS3 and 360 sales because if someone is looking to get the same features and whatnot one a Wii as you would on a 360 or a PS3 will be highly disapointed and visa-versa. The Wii will do well, but you will find that the success will depend on thoes who arn't already into gaming then thoes who are which will be the key to their success, however not really affecting Sony or MS directly all that much.

Also Halo 3 will be big, but once again that is a North American thing and not really something that appeals to the masses like Final Fantasy and MGS does internationally. In Europe and Japan the largest genre is the RPG genre which is something that MS fails to accomplish time and time again with games like Sudeki, Enchanted Arms, Blue Dragon. While the games are decent, they're not enough to stand up to NIS, ATLAS, Square, etc.

Sony's strategy really isn't to so much compete with the PS3 this year as it is to compete with the PS2 and build on the PS3. Then by the end of '07 they will switch to the PS3 with hopefully a good line of killer apps like MGS4, FFXIII, MotorStorm, KILLZONE 2, etc. If Sony doesn't get the games up by the end of this year then they will not be the "popular" system.

All in all though, things have changed a lot in the past decade. It's not like it was in the PS1 and earlier days where you needed to secure the market to turn a profit. Today even the last place competetor will still be laughing all the way to the bank because what they'll make off the launch systems alone over 5 years of software would be more then enough to sustain a small country. Therefore thoes who think that being the "popular" system is key to success then you need to get with the times because if that were the case then Nintendo should be long gone by now with 2 generations of "not being THE popular one".

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

I don't think that Sony will disapoint in the long run. They always seems to be half asleep at their console launch and don't know what's going on around them. On the other hand, based on the last ten years and market trends I'm not all that worried about my investment.

As for thoes JRPGs coming out for the 360, if you look at sale numbers Blue Dragon didn't do much of anything for the system, it managed to increase sales by 3,000 units that week in Japan and then back down 4,000 the next week so for the effort it didn't do much. From what I've seen so far of Lost Odyssey it's not looking good, just a highly rendered PS2 game, they do nothing new in animation, mechanics or anything else that a PS2 game doesn't already do. For the rest, I'm not going to comment on something I don't know, but I'm always up for a good RPG no matter the system.

I still don't think that the Wii is going to interfere with the other two, which is fine. As you put it;

"It will succeed based on new gamers, which is a devious marketing strategy. However, there are people who are simply tired of entire genres of games or never liked some to begin with (FPS and sports come to mind for me) and may look to the Wii as a legitimately different way of playing them."

These people you mentioned are not potential PS3 or 360 buyers and therefore not going to affect their sales. However this was the exact thing that Nintendo was shooting for, the casual and non-gamer markets.

As for that last part in my prior post it wasn't in response to you actually. It's not your fault for thinking it was due to my lazy post structure, it is just something that I wanted to put in there to inform people that bein the "popular" system, doesn't mean as much as it once did. For example the GameCube was by far the least selling system of last gen, but the most profitable one.

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This is what I've seen of LO to date: http://www.gametrailers.com/gamepage.php?id=1694

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But if you're going to count the Wii as a lower cost competator, then you would also have to include the PS2 in that analysis too. At least until the end of the year, by then the PS3 will be $400 - $500 and the big titles like MGS4, DMC4 and FFXIII wil be out or coming out around that time too.

I don't think we need to go on about this much more then we have. We seem to agree on the larger points, as far as that all three should do well and that the market will be pretty split or at least for a good while. Anything beyond that I don't think is something a gamer should have to worry about as long as they're happy with what they've got sitting on top of their TV, no matter the system.

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I agree that after more games come out and the hardware is shown off a bit more that the price tag might make more sense to the consumer.

As for the price drop Sony seems very confident that it will make a price drop this year, but how much is still unknown. My sources are IGN, GameSpot and 1UP.

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Elixir: If you're talking about the music catelogue feature that it gets from the net then yes, it is one heck of a feature. Unlike the 360 catelogue where it only works for the original disc, the PS3 will catelogue anything that has an intact ID3 tag, whether you got it from P2P or the actual disc.

Celtic: I don't even know what you're going on about.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Don't know what you think you're going to get out of PC gaming that a console, especially a PS3 won't be able to deliver. Now a days the only games that PCs get are late ports of console games. I used to be a PC gamer too, but with lack of exclusives and the fact that the PS3 has Keyboard and Mouse support for the next Unreal Tournament as well as Mod support (which the 360 won't have) I find it way too expensive to bother with PC gaming anymore for the 2 exclusive games that come out each year. To each their own I guess.

I've got all 3 consoles going, and from the current announcements of PS HOME and LBP along with the upcoming PS3 exclusive titles I think the majority of my time will be spent on my PS3 unlike last year when I was mostly on the 360.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Probably because you like the community based games where you interact with people more then the pure experiance driven games it would seem.

I now see why you'd want to go with the PC thing more then a new console. ^^

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I got the 360 version and had to stop playing it after 10 hours because the stuttering was killin the immersion for me. Seriously, I've seem crack children that were more stable then that thing man. The PS3 version, I wouldn't know it was loading if the game didn't say so.

I was speaking idiomatically.