[PS3] PlayStation 3 Discussion Thread

Essentually. It's basically equivelent to how the PS2 was in it's early days. (though DVD was a bit more established here at that point then Blu-Ray is now) The fast-forward and other features may be a bit more choppy then that of a normal BR player, but idealy it's a BR player stuck inside that baby. When they re-design the PS3 four years from now (if they do), it'll probably be more of a consumer level player... if the format takes off.

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I actually like the cases myself. As mentioned before, the inside boxart is a cool idea that Sony has been doing for the psp games and it's really cool.

The only thing is tht the WarHawk cover looks horrible, but perhaps they'll change it before release. If not though, at least you play the game and not the case so I guess it doesn't really matter that much.

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I only got about half way through the one for the 360, but the long load times and the graphical glitches while running outside just got to me. I'll probably rent it for the PS3 to make sure that it's actually better then the 360 one, but if it is better I'll probably pick it up.

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It just either A) Costs buckets of money that I think Sony should use to pay off emmersion to get rumble back forst and B)Don't have it and gun for it the next time around.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Metal: That's exactly how MS got the damage in Forza.

Here's the real kicker though. For this question consoles don't matter, if you (you in general) could only have Forza with good graphics and some car damage OR GranTurismo with noticibly superior graphics, but no damage which one would you choose?

I myself would choose GranTurismo. If the damage in Forza was more then just asthetics I might consider it a bit more. But since I play racing sims in cockpit view, it doesn't make any difference for me.

Avanent: I don't know if you know this or not, but judging from your post I'll assume not. That "not compatible" excuse was just a cover-up for the average gamer. The real reason is that the company that made the dual-motor vibration structure (which is Emmersion) sued both Microsoft and Sony for using their patent without consulting them first. Microsoft pulled a dirty trick and bought emmersion (therefore dropping the suite against M$) and then two weeks later sold all their shares of Emmersion. That left Sony with a $30,000,000 tab to pick up. Sony does not have the $$$ to pay Emmersion at the moment hence why the PS3 controller REALLY doesn't have vibration. Though Sony is still working with Emmersion to get the rumble back into their controllers. Even if it's not settled before launch, they're still going to keep on working on it for a possible revision of the controller down the road.

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Yeah... last thing that I heard on the situation was in PSM two months ago. Emmersion designed a new way to creat vibration that only uses one motor & weight, therefore cutting the cost of the technology almost in half. The companies were trying to work out a deal something like, even though the new motors cost less, they'll sell them to Sony for the same price as the dual motor arrangement. Therefore the difference in price will go towards paying off that $30,000,000. Nothing was said whether the deal will actually happen or not, but at least that door is still wide open.

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Perhaps it's only because I don't know my cars too well, but the car in that pick looks alright to me.

There's also 2 things that we're not accounting for.

!) Sometimes things look better in motion, EX the car in the new GT trailer looked pretty darn good... in the gameplay part.

2) The cars in the 360 games look even worse, so at least GT is looking next gen in most ways if not all.

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When I said my second point I didn't think of it in the way you interperited it, though that is true aswell.

Just to explain myself a little further, there is the new Forza coming out for the 360 as well as the new PGR4, and then there's also the current PGR3. But when I said that second point I just meant that it's probably harder to simulate the effects of paint and other things then we think. It's just like humans in games, sure FFXIII and MGS4 looks good, but the scenery still looks better. All of that's because these things are being modelled after existing things, therefore we have a real source to compare it to, where as scenery, of course there's real forms of these things, but because there's so much and alot of locations in games are fictional, it's hard to say what something shold look like.

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Just so you guys know though, that concept of having the two different GT5 packages is just that... a concept. They haven't actually said exactly what they're going to do, it was just an idea that they probably threw out there at TGS to see people's stance on it. We're going to have to wait until later to hear any final decisions as to how GT5 will be sold.

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Yeah, but it's not really as good of a deal as it sounds. First off the company is going to charge to compensate for the game included. And then if that's the case then not everyone is going to want that game.

However I do still say that there should be like a 30% off coupon or something towards a game when you buy the system.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

MAn I just got back from plsying RR6 on my 360 and I was just saying how it's still one of the best looking games for the 360 (wgich is sad). However when I look at these pics it makes RR6 look like a cartoon, lol. Thanks.

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I know that this is a bit off topic, but I'm gonna say it anyway.

I myself love the OS menu of the PS3. I like it for a couple of reasons, and for lack of a better example of what not to do I'm going to use the 360's dashboard to show what Sony has done well, even though there are good sides to the 360's dashboard too.

First is how easy it is to get around the PS3's menus. Unlike the 360 that has an animation that you have to watch to get from one area to the next, while it looks cool, it eventually becomes annoying and uneeded. Where the PS3 is straight to the point, and still looks good doing it.

Second is the fact that like the 360 you can bring it up at any time, but because it's not as animation loaded it's not going to freeze and cause slowdown do to memory shortages like the 360. This is also one of my largest problems with the 360.

Third, no adds. It's one thing to have adds when you're online, but when you're offline I don't want to be seeing some companies efforts to sell me crap stuck in my face every time I want to just go and listen to music or what have you.

Lastly is the continuation of FULL mouse & keyboard support. Even though you'll more then likely be using your headset for messages to your friends, when it comes to the web browsing you can surf the web just as though you were on a computer. Unlike the Wii, where if you want to do ANYTHING on the net, you have to pick and poke with the damn Wiimote... also the PS3's browser is free unlike the Wii's.

Well that's my rant. Others can elaberate onto this in case there's other points that I have missed.

I was speaking idiomatically.

$550 (for the standard)is more then worth it to me. I paid $500 for the PS2 when it came out and I have 85 games for it now and have beaten 76 of them, and am still playing it 4X more then my 360 and NGC put together.

This is due to the fact that I like fighting, music and RPG games... as well as the odd shooter. Therefore the Wii's platformer and sports games have no appeal to me what so ever.

Also I don't feel that the Wii is worth $300. Seeing how the NGC launched at $200 and the Wii is just a NGC with some more RAM and an overpriced controller with it as well as a game that I'll never play, the Wii to me is just a total rip.

In the end it all comes down to what kind of games you play. And when it comes to the types of games that I like, there's no contest.

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You want to know something?

I think that audio doesn't matter.

Shocked? Why's that?
Is it because you think that good audio makes a better experiance?

Same goes for graphics my friend. Though gameplay is what keeps you in the game, it's not the part that creates emotion, and without emotion there is no "experiance". Audio and video are the only two components that game developers have to work with. No smell, no feel (slightly with rumble) and no taste. Therefore saying that graphics don't matter is like chopping another limb off of the ability to create feeling. Sometimes art style can counter this (ex. Okami) but when it comes to things like Gears of War and Call of Duty, art style doesn't work. For my final example if I were to play a game like Condemed but on the PS3 with graphics like the Suffering I can tell you that it wouldn't have even been half as scary. Therefore graphics matter.

As for the motion detection, both companies announced it at the same time so I don't know how people think that Nintendo came up with it first. It's a technology that's been around for years, and long before Nintendo. Therefore motion detection is just simply the next logical step. It's like saying that the Ps3 copied the 360 by having better graphics then the last system, it makes no sense.

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You do realize that more power doesn't only mean better graphics... right?

Examples;

AI:
FEAR has some of the best AI to this day. They actually use tactics like distract and flank. As well as other manuvers that are quite impressive. To do this though you need more power.

To make levels larger and more interactive you need more power.

To do proper movements like the sword fighting in Assasin's Creed and White Knight Story you need more power.

Seeing a theme here? What's also interesting is how all these things are key to gameplay. You did say that you like great gameplay right? So why should we settle for the crappy collision detection and the ally AI that get's us killed if we can eleminate these things? Perhaps we are coming to the pinicle where graphics may not be able to advance much further. However there are many other things that have a long way to go.

When we get to the point where all these things have been mastered then I'll agree that we won't need to go any further, but until then, there are still many things that need to be done.

P.S.
About your question "Why does the PS3/you need a Blu-Ray player?". Resistance is already clocking in at about 20GB, therefore if it wasn't on Blu-Ray, you'd already have your first 2 DVD game... at LAUNCH.

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Metal: The Wii is maximum 480P, with a resolution of 640*480.

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It actually is required, because to make it fit on a DVD would mean removing current things in the game. Which could lead to gameplay changes. Which could totally change the game's experiance. Also if a launch game is just using 20GB, imagine what better looking and more interactive & feature filled games like MGS4 will be.

But hey if you can stick with a Wii for 2 - 3 years and then get a PS3 later on when it's cheaper then go for it. I myself can't stand sports games for if I wanted to play sports I'd just go play them with my friends. And platformers are the least changed genre of ALL game genres, and I find then pointless, repetative, and boring. I'm not saying that they ARE these things. This is just how they are to ME.

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May I ask a question?

What do you get with the Wii that couldn't have just been a new accessori and better online support for the NGC? So what if you lose the Wii channels, thoes arn't worth $300 either.

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For the record I play about 5 - 6 hours a day, so perhaps that's why I have, play and have come to liking more games on the PS1/2 then any other system. Also though, I want to note that I have every system from the NES to the 360 as well as some earlier machienes at my grandparents, I'm not bragging I'm just trying to convey that there are things that I like on EVERY console, I'm not just viewing this from a single viewpoint.

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Yeah... I was typing that post before you made your last one there and things generally boiled down. I noticed it after the page updated that everyone left and I was the only one swinging my sword at nothing but the wind.

Therefore my apologies to all and don't respond to my last post unless you really want to.

Avanent: Don't take this personally for I have ALWAYS thought like this. I don't care about marketing, what's hot & what's not, money can be made & spent but experiances last forever (a bit cheesy, but true non the less). Therefore if I'm going to get a better experiance by spending a mere $200 more then I will, I don't like to settle. (No I'm not rich, I work part time and make $8 an hour)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Cetra: Good point. If I can get more variety in my game that is always welcome ^^

MetalSphere: Good points, all of which seem quite plausible too.

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Meh. At least the PS3 weighs a pound lighter then my 360, so that'll be a plus for me.

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I found an interesting tidbit of info on Assasin's Creed about AI. According to Ubisoft the crowd AI of the 360 version will be slightly better then the PS3 version apparently due to it's improved threading. Not that this matters, it's just the crowd, and if I push them I want them to stay out of my way and not pursue me anyway, lol.

But really though. Is this do to improved threading of the 360? Or just that because Ubidoft has been spending so much time making 360 games lately that they're knowledge of how the PS3 works is really what's limitting them? Not that they would admitt to that one if it were true.

Link here: http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3154110

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That's the problem with Ubisoft. The Montreal branch always wants to go Sony only, the California branch always wants to go M$, and Japan always wants to go multiplatform. The only problem with cutting this SC after all the others being on all systems is that they've slit their throat in being able to continue the series on any other system. So if the 360 tanks, Splinter Cell will go along with it. Then again after doing what they did, perhaps they deserve it.

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There will be an adapter for PS1/2 controllers which will also support the custom controllers for thoes systems too. If thoes controllers will work for PS3 games has yet to be seen. If they do though any game that uses the motion sensor won't be playable with thoes controllers obviously.

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Really, once you get them on your PS3 you won't need to put them on your PC for safe storage anymore. (unless you're downloading game saves) Because once you copy them to the PS3's HDD, you should be ok. Then if your cards corrupt you can copy them onto the cards again from your PS3. Man, I've been playing my 360 for too long now. I miss B/C, damn you M$... damn YOU!!!

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The more I see that game the more I want it.

So far wanted launch titles are:

FullAuto 2 (disapointed by the 360's performance of the 1st one)
LAIR
COD3
Resistance
Genji
RidgeRacer 7

However, MotorStorm isn't a launch title is it? It would be weird if it wasn't seeing haow it's shipping with the demo kits for places like PSM3 and what not.

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