Atheist parents!

Originally Posted by LordsSword

I asked the question "good based on whose definition?" for a reason.
Sure they can be "good" but based on what system.
Society, history & experience are very fluid concepts depending on where you are and when you are in the world.
Remember I go by a 2000 yr. old book that was considered "good" for society at one time. Now its heavily disputed.

I thought you were banned. Shame.

Good is doing whatever makes you happy and doesn't interfere with the happiness of other people. Period. If you need a more detailed description, I recommend Aristotle's Nicomachean Ethics. While Aristotle's views aren't quite in line with my own, they're another good possibility.

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The atheist cant because "rules" don't really exist. They have guidelines but no real rules on morality to be held accountable to.

Absolutely and positively wrong. Just because religious people shout it all around doesn't make it true. You don't need religion to have morality.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

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I would want my children to understand that they can't always expect everyone to act rationally, especially when emotions run high, and that they don't always have to be the perfect model of rationality, either. I would want them to be able to deal with that, and not just view the world as the sum of empirical events and formulas.

The sum of empirical events and forumulas and irrationality aren't mutually exclusive. The Universe is a rather dumb (I use dumb in the same sense as one calls a computer dumb) place - it doesn't think and pick the most logical design or course of action, and if it was designed by some intelligence they did a rather piss-poor job.

I fail to see how 'the world is illogical' leads to 'teaching kids logic is retarded', much less to the implied 'teach them religion instead'.

There's nowhere I can't reach.