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Certainly, I wouldn't contest that Steel has some beasts out there, but that is where the problem lies in this kind of tournament. The Steel-themed team would be relying on virtually no Steel type moves, which kind of kills the idea of having a theme to begin with.

It would be modeled after the meta-game exactly, except that your pool of potential pokemon to use is limited to the type you select.

EDIT: Something I'm mulling over in my head to counteract this would be something like... every pokemon you select must have two or three moves of the type your team is made up of (so, Fire Team's Torkoal must have at least two or three Fire moves). Then the other one or two can be whatever you want, mainly for countering the biggest threat to your team's type.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

You seem to be misunderstanding the point of that idea. The conundrum some people haven't realized yet is that this "Type Tournament" will quickly revert into a traditional meta-game tournament if we aren't forced to adhere to our typing in some way. The only difference between this tournament and a normal one found in the meta-game would be the pool of potential pokemon to use in a party. We're all picking one type. Naturally, that means we must have disadvantages we must accept.

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And just a random toss-up for ideas... How about we all draw for our types? Each type is associated with a number, and whatever number you choose, that's your type you have to use for the tournament. Dual-types are accepted.

Dual-types sorta need to be accepted, just because a lot of types have few "pure" pokemon (Dragon has none). However, I'd like to see that dual-types only count when the type you represent is its primary type (Metagross for the Steel Team, but not the Psychic Team).

And yeah, I like the idea of our teams being randomized. Keeps things interesting and kinda forces us to not EV train or any of that.

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Oh yeah, huh? Well, I guess we could be technical and say that no type is without a "pure" pokemon with the addition of Arceus and his blasted plates, but yeah. I guess Flying would be the exception to the "primary type" rule I suggested.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

NFE says otherwise.

Do you really get that desperate to contradict someone?

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I doubt anyone here is going to have a team ready right off the bat, so a bit of preparing is inevitable for everyone. I happen to think it'd be nice if we all had to quickly come up with our new team.

Who said anything about limitations to make things even? I'm talking about having this tournament follow the type clause a bit more strongly, because I see the fun coming from the gym-like quality of maintaining a constant theme rather than a simple type limitation. Maybe I'm misunderstanding the idea behind it, though.

In any case, most of my ideas were suggestions rather than complaints, so I don't mind what the final decisions are. I'll still participate.

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I don't want to make this a big deal; if people don't like it, people don't like it. I'm okay with that, and I certainly won't try to block the tournament or something stupid like that.

I think a lot of willingness to play in this competition comes from the fact that it's more of a novelty tournament (like Metronome tournaments and the like). And that gives me the impression that we should implement lots of quirky things to deviate it from the metagame as much as possible. I see that as encouraging willingness to play.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

That may be why they're banned, actually. It makes no sense to ban Dragonite and not Salamence, unless they were doing it to enforce the "Lv. 50 All" rule.

A big, hearty "lol @ Phione ban", though.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Nah, he's asking if you can have a Dragonair or a Pupitar evolved into their final forms at or before level 50, which is a no (both evolve at level 55).

Salamence is just as beastly, but is unbanned. I can only hope it's because Shelgon evolves at level 50, and as such doesn't exceed the maximum level requirement.

I was speaking idiomatically.

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Just wondering. What stats do you guys EV train on? Is the generally the same for each Pokemon, whichever stats that Pokemon is weakest in, whichever stats that Pokemon is strongest in, or what?
Also, is HP a bad thing to EV train it, or would it be better for defense? I know in most MMOs I've played having a lot of HP pretty much outranks most other stats for survival, though I'm unsure if it works that well in Pokemon. I'm currently EV training my Kadabra in HP and SATK, though I may end up changing SATK to something else. I can't evolve it to a Alakazam as I have no one to trade with, and this is Pokemon FireRed. But to the original question, which stats?

What stats you want to EV train will always vary depending on what pokemon you're training and what job you want to do. But when in doubt, don't EV train in stats that it sucks at. If you have a pokemon with poor Special Attack and you want it to be a special sweeper, then you need to rethink what pokemon you want to be using for the job.

It's always more efficient to find a pokemon that has the stats you need for the job you want it to perform, and then simply boost those stats even higher. Never try to balance a pokemon out; it can't and won't be doing every job on the team.

As for you Kadabra, you need to be putting your EVs into Special Attack and Speed. Remember, Kadabra/Alakazam is a frail pokemon; HP or not, he's going down pretty quickly if someone catches him with a good hit. That's why you want him to be able to hit hard and hit fast. HP (and defenses to an extent) are for the guys who are meant to stay out for longer periods of time. Walls (Snorlax), the bulky clerics (Blissey, Miltank) and the like are good candidates for that.

If you're playing FireRed and can't get someone to help you evolve it into an Alakazam, I would instead suggest that you replace him with Exeggutor or Gardevoir. Kadabra's stats just aren't good enough to warrant keeping him when there are other decent guys out there who don't need to be trade-evolved.

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EDIT: Also "darn" to Mew being banned. Mew is one of the Pokemon I've wanted to train the most, and I"m pretty sure its stats are nothing significant. At least, I'm pretty sure I remember a Pokemon such as Mewtwo being generally stronger, unless it's because Mew can learn any TM/HM.

Mew is a base-100 pokemon like Celebi, Jirachi and Manaphy. As such, its stats are okay for a legendary and very good in the standard game. Besides that, Mew is absurdly overpowered because of his sheer unpredictability in being able to learn any move. That means Mew can't be countered without dumb luck, and that's why he's banned.

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Jo, I can breed you one. Again, just tell me a time and bring a Bidoof with you.

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You don't necessarily have to go back and do other things. Victory Road and a Lucky Egg can do wonders (if you need a Lucky Egg, I'd be happy to oblige). Hell, back in the day, when I was playing Blue and Gold for the first time, I only focused on one pokemon each. You could use that strategy if you really needed to, but three or four works perfectly fine.

However, shuffling between six different pokemon evenly isn't terribly efficient unless you're dedicating a lot of time to leveling or you can power-level by running through the Elite 4. Otherwise, it's best to have two or three as your go-to guys and three or four as backup.

Let's see, good pokemon to have your team revolve around are... any of the starters, Lucario, Staravia, Hippowdon, or Garchomp if you have him or want to dedicate the time to evolving Gible into one.

If you need any pokemon or items to help, just say the word.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

But... but I caught a shiny Giratina! It took some time, but I did it. What no one would believe is you catching a shiny Latias/Latios from Ruby and Sapphire, since I guess those are determined at the start of a new file (meaning you couldn't find out if they were shiny or not until you encountered them, way late into the game).

Marriland lets you see the sprites for all pokemon, including shiny forms. I thiiink Serebii has shiny colors listed on there somewhere.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Odds are always the same, so don't bother trying to breed shinies to increase the likelihood.

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Nah, once an event's done, it's done. So make sure you hit this Darkrai event! He comes with Spacial Rend and Roar of Time; just like the one in Japan. Nifty stuff for a Darkrai, even though only Spacial Rend would have any use in the metagame.

Also, check your PMs! I need your help with a trade.

How ya doing, buddy?

If they're properly trained and used, only other legendaries have any real shot at beating them.

As much as I'd like that Darkrai, I really don't think I lack the amount of shame needed to go into public and geek out to that degree.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Because I play in the privacy of my own home? I couldn't care less if a grown man plays pokemon, but public perception is definitely that the games are geared towards children, and that if you see an adult playing them, there's something distinctly creepy and/or pathetic.

I don't like it, but I didn't come up with it.

I was speaking idiomatically.

That trick only works for getting Mew in Generations I and II. Pokemon before Generation III (Ruby/Sapphire) can't be sent over to any of the recent games.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Has anyone else here forgotten how awesome mining in the Underground is? I was tired of all the mad leveling I was doing and decided to pop in and take a look around.

Then I realized that I had spent an hour digging. Net some pretty useful things, too (Everstones, a couple new plates, some of the rarer hold items)!

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