[DS] How do you get 3,000 pikachus on a bus? POKEMON!

I don't need anything in return for them. I've got the three you've mentioned.

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EDIT: Okay, so Chikorita, Torchic, and Treecko. Give me a minute to breed them. Eggs are okay, right?

I was speaking idiomatically.

No, the OT is always who hatched it.

EDIT: I have a hatched Chikorita, but not Torchic and Treecko.

I have a Magcargo to hatch quickly, but that means even more time.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Now that I have a working modem again, I've been doing a lot of trading. IVs are wearing away at my sanity, so I figured I'd just clone the good stuff I have and trade for EV-trained dudes with good IVs.

Cloned my shiny Giratina once and traded it to a cloner for a shiny Rayquaza and two more clones. Then I took one of those clones and traded it for a shiny, EV-trained Porygon-Z and Metagross.

Then I cloned my nice shiny Furret (who's been my lead for a long time) and traded it for a shiny Salamence right now. Dude started guilt-tripping me for not cloning it for him. I said I'm not good at it and there's a chance I'd lose it in the attempt, so I'd rather not. I offered to tack on an item that he wanted, and he chose a Fire Stone. But, after he went through with it, he still seemed unhappy. At that point I even offered to trade back if he wasn't okay with it. But he declined and said he was just sad that he couldn't get an extra.

Well shit dude, this is your choice to trade. Stop making me feel bad if you're going to go through with it.

FELIPE NO

First, you catch a bunch of Steelix on Iron Island. They're already high enough in level to give you a ballpark estimate as to where their IVs are.

If those IVs are still too low or you don't find it in the nature you want, you breed it and level the Onix to a decent level (20 or higher) and look at the IVs again. If they're good, there you go. Either continue leveling or reset and go back to before you started leveling and start doing the proper EV training.

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The only thing that makes me skeptical is the artwork-- when they remade Red and Blue, they had Sugimori redraw the artwork for the game. Maybe they decided not to because Gold/Silver's doesn't look as outdated as Red/Blue's artwork did, but I dunno.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well, this has been dead long enough.

GTS Tracker has been launched. Definitely worth a look if you're still playing.

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It's been a couple of weeks for me. I picked up the Electivire that popped up on that Pokemon website a while back. I quit when I couldn't get him with the right IVs.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

I turned this on the other day after a few months of inactivity. From what I can tell, I was in the middle of breeding for a Cacnea with Seed Bomb. Fiddled with it for a time and realized that I had forgotten some of the rules of breeding. Need to do a bit more research before I dive in fully again.

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Originally Posted by Lukage

Get that Lucario to the daycare. Might as well get your own Riolu. Also, Shinx sucks. Err, Luxray sucks.

Or does he get good once he's in the 70s? Seriously the thing never learns jack shit.

Luxray is a physical sweeper, and the Electric typing is far more suited for the Special Attack stat. As such, his best STAB'd move is pretty crummy (Thunder Fang or something). Not to mention that his crummy movepool limits him severely, making his potential movesets very predictable. You could do worse, but there's obviously better out there.

But trust me, Chaotic knows what he's doing, and he's just a big Luxray fan. Hell, Furret is my team leader, which is proof enough that taste has a lot more to do with it than simply statistics. You only pay sole attention to the latter in the metagame.

We used to discuss all that stuff back in this thread's heyday when me, him and several others rounded out Gamingforce's Diamond/Pearl crew.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Well, that's why it's called the metagame. It's to go beyond the rules and stylings set forth by the game itself and compete as efficiently as possibly. Common battles have no need for things like IVs or the like, and you can follow the "raise and grow" theme to your heart's content.

I myself have decided to brush the game off. There's lot of things I never did completely finish, like the battle tower stuff and the breeding things I had planned (Ice Punching/DD'ing Totodile with good IVs, and a Seed Bombing Cacnea.)

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The new game is only rumored. CoroCoro or whatever it's called hints that an expansion game is on its way (not a remake of the Metal generation, like I had hoped).

I was actually playing Diamond about three or four days ago. Suddenly had the urge to finally breed and EV train a Cacturne, and I was eyeing a Banette next. Why must all of my favorite guys be UU?

Originally Posted by Josiah

2. I noticed you can only seem to offer/search over Nintendo WFC for Pokemon within D/P only. So if I want to get [insert Pokemon here] that you can only get by importing them from the GBA games, would I have to get the games myself, or could I get [x Pokemon] through a trade with a friend who has them?

Don't worry, you can get them through a friend. The Trading Center only allows you to search for Pokemon that you've already seen or caught, which is why you only see Diamond/Pearl pokemon available to search for. Once you possess pokemon that can't be seen in Diamond or Pearl, the Trading Center will let you search for those pokemon. As you can tell, trading through this means is impossible for obtaining pokemon you don't already have. GameFAQs has a trading board that is... suitable for any and all needs.

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Yeah, that's roughly my playing schedule as well. If anything we'll keep the tournament playing days on weekends only or something =o

I'd participate, but I doubt I would be very serious in competing. Mostly Underused guys, I'd think.

Originally Posted by Crash Landon

For what it's worth, on the right team, Cacturne is hardly UU. My friend drove me up the wall with his. It took down three of my team before I nuked his one Cacturne. (Sucker Punch, WTF...)

Thanks, I'm glad someone out there has some appreciation for the guy. His movepool finally has a bit of depth, so I hear he can be unpredictable in certain cases. It takes a miracle to get him into battle safely, though.

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I don't really care too much about Uber/OU/BL/UU listings. (I'm not even certain what "BL" stands for - "balanced" maybe?) I play with the Pokemon I like. Lapras isn't top-tier by any means but it's fun. And though I took second place in a craptacular Pokemon tourney a few weeks ago, I'd much rather play casually.

Getting Pokemon from older versions has never been a priority. Yeah, I could take the time to send an Arbok over, but why? Arbok's not gonna be much help to anything, honestly. My only motivation is casual competition, so foddering my Pokedex, eh, whatever.

Although I actually like your guess better, it stands for Borderline. Get worked in Overused, dominate in Underused.

As for the Pokedex, I have to admit, sometimes I send guys like Arbok over just to read their Pokedex description.

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Well, I'm finding Rapidash just isn't really making the cut for a Fire Pokemon, so I was looking into either Heatran (Fire/Steel) or Blaziken (Fire/Fighting). Both of which are fairly good types (Heatran's double ground weakness aside). Heatran I can get with enough masochism...

..but for Blaziken I'll need a Torchik first. Hence why I was looking to trade for one. And get my Kadabra evolved too.

Just so you know, it's kind of... faux pas to ask someone to give you a legendary.

I'll be more than happy to breed you any other Fire type you want, though. Can I interest you in a Torkoal or Cyndaquil, maybe (or the fire chicken, if you really want it)?

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Originally Posted by Josiah

Oh I know, I wasn't asking for someone's Heatran, I was just saying I can get the one in my game, it'll just be a big pain in the rear is all. (For example, one fight ended because I had him down to one bar and paralyzed but he ran out all his moves and used Struggle. ) Torchik still looks good to me, doesn't matter if you find a low-level one. I could trade you my Kadabra for it to make him evolve to Alakazam; you looking for anything in return for Ala, something you want to evolve by trade, maybe?

I don't really have any more pokemon I need to collect, but thank you. Just bring me a Bidoof or whatever to complete the trade.

What I do need, though, is for someone to help trade-evolve my Magmar. The problem is that it's shiny, so I'd have to have major cajones to do this with a complete stranger on GameFAQs. This isn't something I need done in the near future, though.

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"Lowered stats" is a myth. The only disadvantage is the inability to change names.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

That's not lowered stats though, that's just leveling outpacing EV gains.

Anyway, I did some shiny trading last night (first time in ages), and I was able to trade my Magby and Shinx for a Riolu and Gastly. Pretty good deal.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I've never tried it out, honestly. Shiny Pokemon look cool but aren't very good in fights. What makes them shiny is that all of their Individual Values (IVs) are set to 10. When you consider that each IV can reach a maximum of 31, 10 just isn't very desirable. A level 100 Shiny Pokemon will often be much weaker than its normally colored counterpart.

Actually, shiny pokemon have completely random IVs, just like any other pokemon in the wild. I know this because my IV calculator tells me that my shiny Furret has something like a 29 in Attack IVs and a 27 in Speed.

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I've got two: a Zangoose and a Cacturne. I admit, they both look really sweet.

Wait wait, timeout. You have a shiny Zangoose and a shiny Cacturne? ...And you never told me?

You, uh, interested in trading either of those puppies?

I was speaking idiomatically.

No matter what time you start, so long as you're done with EV training by the final level up (to 100), the stats will always be the same for that one Pokemon. There is absolutely no difference in stats gains regardless of when you start, so do it whenever you feel like doing it.

The reason your Lv. 50 pokemon gained 12 attack is because you were able to stack a lot of attack EVs onto it before it reached Lv. 51. That only seems like more than usual because it takes longer to level a Lv. 50 pokemon than it does a Lv. 1 pokemon. However, there is no difference in the end.

I hope that clarifies things.

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If you wanted, you could rare candy it up to 100, go out and get the EVs you want, then shove it in a box. Stats would be just the same as if you had EV trained as soon as possible.

From what I recall, that only works if you do it 4 EVs at a time. I don't remember exactly, but I do know that it's supposed to be extremely impractical and time-consuming to EV train a Lv. 100 pokemon.

Originally Posted by Josiah

It does, thanks. At least I know now that I can level quickly for a while and then start considering where to EV grind at a higher level.

I tend to level while I EV train. Pokemon gain full EVs as well as partial experience from an Exp. Share, so I go to a good training spot and get to work straight away.

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The only other question I have on the matter is this: is there a way to calculate what the EVs are at a specific moment, given the pokemon's level, stats, nature, etc. ? I know I could keep track of gains with the counter app, use berries to lower EV in stats where I don't want them, talk to so-and-so to see if I've gained all the EVs I can for that pokemon, etc. but it'd be nice to see where I'm at and go about EV grinding from there. The calculators I've found assume you know the EVs exactly already, or where you want them to be, anyway.

Bust out the pen and paper, because that's the only reliable way to keep track. You could get a rough estimate of where you're at if you knew the IVs before you started giving it EVs, but you couldn't get an exact number.

Say you have a level 20 Furret. You know it's Adamant and has an Attack IV of 25. At level 20 without EVs, it should have 60 attack (this is an arbitrary number, just so you know). You've been EV training though, and it has 74 Attack. That means that you've given it at least 56 Attack EVs. However, because you don't gain another point in Attack until you reach 60 EVs, it could mean you have given it 56, 57, 58, or 59.

Hell, the number could be even greater depending on whether or not it's been given more EVs during Lv. 20 that it didn't have when it was Lv. 19 (stat boosts from EVs do not happen until a level up). So, really, it's extremely difficult to determine what your EVs are at if you don't keep track from the beginning. You have berries to lower EVs if you really need them, though.

FELIPE NO

Well, these new forms don't appear to be in the game code for Diamond and Pearl, so it seems likely that they'll be stuck in Platinum and not tradeable to the first two. Everything else should work fine. Serebii has a scan up, and that screenshot of Giratina looks freaky as hell.

Serebii also reported on some rumors yesterday, which claim that Giratina's Origin form and Regigigas' Sky form both grant Levitate, while Shaymin's Another form appears to be part Ice. Also, Wi-fi Underground <3<3<3

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Well, when people trade Mews, it's usually out of an interesting in collecting it as a legendary. I imagine the rate of high-IV Mews out there is higher than for other pokemon, just because more Mews are hacked into the games (and hackers usually give pokemon high IVs).

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Remember that shiny pokemon do not have IVs of 10. That's completely false.

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I say if we do a single-type tourney, definitely go for a less popular type like Poison or Fire. If it's something like Dragon or Water, it'll be filled with a lot of the usual suspects (sup, Salamence and Marshtomp).

Ohhh, or we could take those popular typings and spice it up a bit by requiring that the pokemon fall into a specified tier. Like "UU Water" or something. That'd be very nice, too!

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Well, everyone having a unique type would be okay if the types were kept secret and everyone was locked in with their type at the beginning of the tournament. Otherwise finding out what typing you're facing next could spell disaster in a Fire versus Water match or the like.

We'd also need to consider removing certain types out of fairness. Dragon should be banned (even if Flygon and Altaria suck), and Steel might need to be because of its awkwardness and sheer impracticality when used offensively.

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Even with Ice folks out there, Dragons will dominate in about half of the environment just because their stats are so much better. Types with very few or no upper-tier pokemon, like Fire, will end up getting smoked. Team building is one thing, but I'd like to build teams around my type and not focus so much on building a team that's styled after the meta-game (where you throw in every kind of move possible). Otherwise we're just playing in a normal tournament with a huge handicap of having all our pokemon be one type.

Also, for Steel, I meant it might need to be removed from selection just because of how weak it is offensively (not very effective against a lot of types, very few reliable attack moves). Not to mention its defensive weaknesses you listed.

I was speaking idiomatically.