Products of Creation Science

I wasn't planning on visiting it until you brought it up, but after reading this review of the museum, I want to hit it up, just for the lulz:

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Near a portrait of Adolf Hitler, signs are titled" "Nazism and Communism - Fruits of Evolution," and "Racism: the Fruit of Evolution." Just before you hit the gift shop, you come upon "The Two Trees - Good Fruit and Bad Fruit." The healthy "Creationist Tree" bears ripe and many-colored fruit, and it's where one will find True Americanism, True Government, True History and True Science, to name a few.

"The Evolutionary Tree," a gnarled and twisted trunk with no leaves, bears the fruit of "Harmful Philosophies" and "Evil Practices" (promiscuity, genocide, homosexuality, bestiality, drug culture....).

See, see, because to stimulate a scientific debate, you gotta push your agenda, associate the other side with Nazis, and pit dueling trees against each other in your exhibits. Best museum ever already, right, guys?

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

In their defence there are no rules on agenda pushing. We know the agenda of a place that talks about creation and really, are any of their statements untrue?

Science, in its purest form, is free of agenda. That means waving SCIENCE around like a banner and then associating competing theories with moral depravity and genocide is, at best, hypocritical and completely cynical.

Besides. If the evidence for creation science was strong enough to stand on its own, there would be no need to manipulate the emotions of the visitors by invoking Nazism and bestiality, right~

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Science is free of agendas but people are not. Fraud for the sake of proving evolution has been tried many times by its proponents. Top 25 Crimes of the Century - The Fake Ape-Man - TIME

One hoax does not undermine the entire weight of evidence for evolution. If that were true, then I can point to any fraudster who uses the Bible in his schemes (re: Jim Bakker), and then imply that the Bible is completely wrong.

And, you do realize that it was, uh, other scientists who discovered the forgery, right? Instead of blindly citing a source to try to make a point, why don't you, er, try to understand it completely first before using it? What a concept!

Originally Posted by LordsSword

Folks we eat sleep & breath agendas please spare me of all the judgments.

Without knowing more about the basic intent of this place I can only conclude that it is built to manipulate people. Nothing new, we can go anywhere else and say the same thing.

No. No, no and no.

You're simply assuming that all people have agendas, and all institutions are manipulating emotions in the same naked, ham-fisted way the Creation Museum is doing. You don't seem to understand the simple difference between emotional manipulation and persuasive argument based on evidence. That is either sheer ignorance or sheer cynicism, and good science doesn't have either.

You can walk into any respectable museum of natural history that discusses evolution, and you won't find exhibits accusing creationists of anything, let alone Naziism and bestiality. Tell me this, then - why is it, then, for a institution that purports to promote Biblical philosophy, why do they spend all that effort slandering the people who disagree with them? Yessirree, that's a real paragon of Christian values there, golly-gumdrops!

My point is, if you walked into any museum, it'll stand in stark contrast to how utterly manipulative that Creation museum is. If the evidence in the Creation museum were really that strong (and if LeHah's post is anything to go by, it's, uh, not), there wouldn't even be a need for this kind of appeal to the emotion.

Also, I stand by my point that good science is agenda-free : the point of science is to draw conclusions based on observed evidence. Creation "science" seems to be backwards - starting from the conclusion, and then trying to find something -anything to fit it. That is not science.

Implying that everyone has an agenda just shows how ignorant you are. If you actually knew a lot of scientists, you'll know that they're like any other group of people - there are good scientists, and bad scientists. But by no means are ALL of them carrying some kind of SIKRIT AGENDA deep in their hearts or something stupid like that.

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Originally Posted by LordsSword

Who told you about the millions of dollars & research? Do you really know where your answers come from?

Again, this shows your ignorance. Scientists in academia have to work their asses off to win money for their research through government, institutional and corporate grants. Anyone's who in the sciences knows this. You really need to get yourself educated in this before mouthing off like that.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

This ladys & gents is a person after my own heart.

Are you unable to read, or just that bloody deluded? I'm afraid there isn't anyone here that's after your own heart - I understand Christian principles, yes, but that also means I know enough of it that I can tell that the Creation science museum is spewing fundamentalist propaganda masquerading as "science".

Originally Posted by LordsSword

The Spock avatar of Arainach reminds me of the cloaking device of the Romulans.
Its a useful tool the cloaking device. Assumptions are what makes it work so well.

Your post is by far the best. I get what you are saying thanks.

I am currently preparing for my own career as a scientist, so believe me, if you think that I'm assuming things about the vast amounts of money that go into research, then I have the great pleasure of telling you that you're dead wrong.

You know, if you're not in science, why are you coming in here telling us what science is and what science isn't? That's a fair bit of hubris there, mate.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Denicalis

Saves up. Buys nintendo Wii. Ug like Rayman. Funny bunny falls down a lot.

Ug is wimpy casual gamer. Old-schoolers like Torg only play Joe & Mac for NES.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Denicalis

More historically accurate. Ug hates anachronism.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by LordsSword

As long as there is doubt in the hearts of men.
I know people get angry with me and the supporters of this subject because deep down there is something unsettled that points to a God.

Are you seriously trying to uh, allay the doubt of God in the hearts of us heathens or something?

Because, sir, if that's the case - you are an UTTER FAILURE.

You haven't convinced anyone here. In fact, I'm willing to bet that when you spout off your Bible-laced gibberish, you're too busy thinking about YOU to understand that your message is not getting across AT ALL. I'll bet that you're all like, Ohhh, lookit me, I'm striking a blow for God, ohhh, I'm showing these people how unassailable creationism is.. in other words, I I I ME ME ME ME ME ME.

You really don't get it. Preaching the word of God is about how the other person feels about his life in context to Jesus, not HAR HAR I'm WINNING THE ARGUMENT GOD RULES. That's why you've utterly failed in talking about God - you do not actually look outside yourself when you're doing it. That's why people like you are very bad missionaries - in fact, more people get turned AWAY from Christianity because of you. Your efforts are turning people away from God.

Look. You said that I understand Christian values. This is because I converted to Christianity myself, 12 or so years ago, and read widely about Christianity. I have a uncle who is a doctor and a missionary in China, whom I joined for a couple of weeks to see what his work was like. He doesn't beat people over the head with God. He doesn't rant and rave about evolution. He lives the life of a Christian, and without having to beat his chest about God, people come to him.

Compared to that, you are nothing but an embarrassment. You have shown nothing but a superficial, shallow understanding of theology. Go away, read more of the Bible, and actually think about it before you abuse it by pasting it all over your "arguments" like self-help slogans. Then maybe we can have a talk about Christianity.

FELIPE NO

Originally Posted by Soluzar

If he is putting on a show for the internet, then the illusion is almost complete.

Funny thing is, he PMed me afterwards asking me to stop arguing with him in public because it would threaten the show of peace and harmony among Christians. That's the word he used: "show".

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