[Movie] Heroes

Originally Posted by Inhert

I think there was something that prevent Sylar from breaking the cell he was in, but I think that he found out that he could still manipulate things outside the room. You see that' it's Eden that he pull through the window.

I don't think it's so much Eden as the GUN she is holding that he pulls through the window. She just happens to hold it tightly enough to not be able to let go before she crashes into the window. Think about it, if you could break the glass just by using a human body he could have escaped a long time ago. All he had to do was throw himself at it or kick it until it breaks. The gun, however, is made of metal, could act as fine sledgehammer if you apply some telekinetic energy to it. And the gun DOES look heavy.

One thing that shows that Bennet was very aware of this fact is when he enters to give Sylar his food. There are no metal containers with the food, and even the tray seems to be made out of plastic.

Edit: Moreover, all the needles of the walls have been pulled out etc. Coincidence? I think not.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by The Wise Vivi

Is there no episode of Heroes tonight? I am assuming there isn't because it seems all the new episodes for the different shows are delayed till Jan 2007.

No new episodes until january, I'm afraid. :/ Heroes has been given the same treatment as the rest.

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

This would be fine except for the two scenes in which Sylar uses his (stolen) telekinetic powers on nonmetallic objects. Once, he causes his ceramic coffee mug to come to his hand in the Burnt Toast Diner. The other is during the flashback, when he causes an ordinary drinking glass to move, then fly away and shatter.

This proves that Sylar can manipulate things other than metal.

I never said he couldn't manipulate other objects as well, I just meant that plastic ones are not likely to break the glass. Besides, metal ones are more likely to be used as effective weapons than plastic forks or human flesh which explains why there are no nails in the walls.

Eden soft. Gun hard. Get it?

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He probably can't manipulate objects that precisely right now, which is why he needed to use a metal object to break the glass, seeing that there were no other usable objects around his cell. It (super)naturally should take more energy to shatter glass of that magnitude than to shatter a normal drinking glass. That's my theory anyways, take it or leave it.

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I know he can manipulate an unfixated drinking glass, but can he manipulate a fixated, really tough, supposedly bullet-proof glass window? In that case, what's stopping him from breaking the wall and flee out the other way?

I don't remember, but did the glass he manipulated earlier break in mid-air or did it break upon slamming against something, like a wall?

Edit: On second thought, I don't think they thought about this at all since. If the glass is bullet-proof(which it should be) it wouldn't break either way. But since we're using Hollywood glass physics here I guess it can't be helped. If, however, he CAN break stuff like that at will he should be able to break almost anything. It would mean that he could manipulate the very atoms of the object itself and telekinetically make them repel. This would make him mighty indeed. Too mighty.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Drex

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Either way, if the thing's canonical, it reaks of someone messing with his dream-state - after Sylar supposedly crawling into his dreams, then the coma-inducing vision of the 'future', and now this - seems like someone's messing with him, unless visions are part of his power (which I would tend to doubt).

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Although, he does seem to have these dreams quite frequently. Perhaps the supposed "manipulator" of his dreams has had him under surveillance a very long time? I get the feeling that it's part of his powers, though.

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Yeah, thanks for the info about the comic, striped phantom, I had no idea it existed. I'm sure someone has mentioned it in this thread before, though. Just didn't feel like reading each and every reply.

About the comic:

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Wow, so Sylar didn't manage to escape? That's big news for me... But it doesn't change my gun theory.

.... nice reading. Will be looking forward to reading more of this every week.

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Hehe, episode #12 of the comic, where Peter sees himself, reminded me a lot of Star Wars when Luke must enter that cave to face his fears and cuts his own head off believing it was Darth Vader.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

another interview with Masi Oka

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/tvnews.php?id=18301

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Questions relating to the dinosaur plotline on "Heroes" will also be enlightened to the viewers. The actor said, "I'll say it straight up the answer will be given in episode twelve.When the first episode comes back you'll see the dinosaur in play. Our shows have always realized Isaac's paintings come to fruition in one form or another. All I can say is that I do work for Industrial Light & Magic and we have worked on a great show called 'Jurassic Park.' What does that mean? I don't know."

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Maybe he's just in a museum or something? That would surely disappoint everyone.

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Originally Posted by The Mageling

That's one heck of a prediction. :P

Who needs to paint the future when you can predict it, right? It actually felt pretty good knowing I was spot on about the museum part.

Anyways, great episode. Can't wait to see the next one.

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

Yeh it was brilliant episode. I have a feeling that the nuclear guy ran away to vegas himself to get away from people.

Yeah. I guess he just chose a place in the middle of nowhere because he wanted to develop his powers w/o hurting anybody in the process. I'm not sure whether or not he'll end up as a bad guy int he end though. Not much has been exposed about that guy.

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Originally Posted by parKbench

Hi guys, I just started watching Heroes. It is an awesome show! I was able to find the first 6 episodes posted on the web, but I can't seem to find episodes 7-12. Can anyone help me out? I tried the NBC websight, but it keeps crashing my computer. All the other websights I go to, episodes 7-12 have been erased.

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Originally Posted by parKbench

I found the missing episodes posted on youtube. I just watched episode 7. Awesome stuff. I've read comics since the 80's and I've always thought the best super power would be teleportation like Hiro. Not in a super hero sort of way, but just to be able to have breakfast in Paris, lunch in Japan and dinner in Hawaii. Think of the vacations you could take and no airfare or hotel costs! And as far as work, I could start my own delivery service, "when it absolutely, positively has to be there in 5 seconds." Think of the fees I could charge....

Then again, it could be hell if you couldn't control it properly. What if you end up 800 m under water or in space? (Or inside a rock for that matter!)

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

MOSTLY IRRELEVANT SIDENOTE: Several years ago, before Heroes was even a project on Kring's agenda, a friend and I put together some ideas for a comic book series. He would be the artist and I'd write. It never came to much fruition, but I did manage to draft up numerous characters.
Imagine my shock when last Monday's episode used two of my ideas in precisely the way I'd conceived them. I'd thought of someone whose ability was selective invisibility. But I was more surprised when that Hannah character appeared with the ability to communicate through various energy-wave sources, such as wi-fi internet. They even used the same alias I came up with: Wireless. I had to pick my jaw up off the floor after seeing that. The odds of such coincidence were infinitessimal.
I'm not claiming theft or anything, but it's very peculiar to realize that the same ideas I had several years ago are being implemented in this show. I like to think of it as a bizarre compliment; perhaps I've always had what it takes to be a writer for the comic books.

I've had many ideas stolen from my brain during the years. I'm quite sure several companies have brain scanners they use to filter out ideas from people's minds every now and then. :P

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Anyways, on to different topic. I found a rather interesting detail while reviewing some of the previous episodes:

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The Infinity Gun

I found this detail while watching episode 11 and later on watching episodes 1-3 with my brother a while back. What's the deal with the Infinity Gun?

Episode 2:

Hiro Goes to the future and finds Isaac dead, presumably killed by Sylar. Hold it! Wasnt there a GUN lying there as well? Hmmm, rather interesting considering Sylar doesn't need a gun to kill people. Was it Isaacs gun? Let's move on a bit further...

Episode 11:

Eden tries to kill Sylar by using her powers to make him blow his brains out using a gun. But not just any gun, this gun is branded "Infinity" and there's a close up on it just before Eden gets pulled through the glass(read one of my previous posts for another theory concerning the gun and Sylars powers). Wait a minute... haven't we seen that gun before? Let's take two screenshots from the show and compare them:


Episode 2 - Infinity gun?:



Episode 11 - Infintiy gun:




If you watch closely, you'll see that all of the parts are identical, with the exception of the one from episode 2 which doesn't expose any bullets, probably due to the fact that the gun is only "open" on the right side, as shown on the picture from episode 11.

So, what conclusions can be drawn from this? Well, there are a number of different angles we can see this from, but there's at least two facts that we can confirm:

Exhibit A: The gun is used by whatever company Mr.Bennet works for, which explains why Eden has one as well. Whether she stole it or not is irrelevant at this point.

This can be proven by by grabbing a couple of screenshots from episode 12. This also proves what I said earlier about the gun only being open to expose bullets on one side:





Now doesn't that look familiar? It's the same type of gun seen in both episodes 2 and 11. Coincidence? I should think not!

Question:

Why is there an Infinity gun at Isaacs place in the future?

Why is the gun highlighted as often as it is?

Theories:

1. There's a third person there when Isaac is killed, possibly Mr.Bennet himself.

Also likely, but if that's the case, whatever happened to Mr.Bennet(since the gun is still there, SOMETHING must have happened)?

2.A Sylar wasn't there. The person who killed Isaac was none other than Mr.Bennet who, through studying Sylar, fond out how to absorb other character's abilities. This, however doesn't explain why the gun is still there.

2.B Same as above, but a third person was there as well, making Mr.Bennet run away before he could pick the gun up.


There are probably more conclusions that could be drawn from this, but I'm too tired to think of any right now. It IS, IMO, peculiar though, how they choose to highlight and accentuate the gun over and over again. It makes me suspect that it is of great importance to the plot.

You are all more than welcome to help me out, try to prove me wrong etc., on this matter.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by Enkidu

About Isaaq:

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anyone noticed how he isn't dead in the future anymore? When Hiro first travels to the future, he finds Isaaq without a brain, and a few hours after that, we have the nuclear explosion. Now from Peter's vision we learn that he is the one who sets off the explosion, but just minutes before this happens, we see that Isaaq is trying to save his girlfriend from it. Am I missing something here or have the actions of the heroes (saving the cheerleader) changed the future already?

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Good question. Then again, THAT may not be the same explosion that Hiro saw in the future. As I recall, his "mentor" is also there, laughing. Why would he laugh at Peter failing and killing everyone? It doesn't look like a lunatic's laugh so I don't think he went nuts. Maybe it's part of some kind of training session and he's taunting Peter for failing it?

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Originally Posted by Domino

Yeah I noticed that too. There was also the part when

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Mrs. Bennet was talking to Sylar about how everyone seems to call him Mr. Bennet whereas she has always known him as... well, Mr. Muggles interrupted her so we ain't going to be finding out anytime soon I don't think. Damn you Mr. Muggles, damn you!

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The question is: How do we interpret this? Is it because the Heroes team have yet to think up a name for Mr.Bennet or is it because he has a name that would clear up a lot of stuff plotwise? Is his name perhaps Linderman(unlikely because Linderman sounds a lot more like a family name)?

On a side note, I hardly recognised Mr.Bennet w/o his glasses.

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The "speed" part of Sylar`s powers seems to be more than just that. Remember the episode way back when we didn`t even know who Sylar was? After he got "shot" (probably repelled the bullets with his telekinesis) he just kinda "flew" outta there...

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Originally Posted by Crash Landon

I would like to direct peoples' attention to a post I made back on October 29th.

In this post, I said the following thing:



I am feeling pretty darn good right now. I knew that gun was significant. It's appeared numerous times.

1: Mohinder hid it in his desk right after Eden saw the gun.
2: Hiro found the gun laying beside Isaac's dead body after mistakenly teleporting to the future.
3: Mr. Bennet had the gun when he and the Haitian Man attempted to abduct Nathan Pitrelli.
4: Eden attempted to use the gun to persuade Sylar to kill himself, then turned it upon her own head in defense.
5: Mr. Bennet gave the gun to Isaac in case Peter Pitrelli should come to visit.

So now we know how the gun arrived at Isaac's apartment. It's turned out to be a critical item that provides a reference of time for certain events. Unfortunately, this means that Hiro's vision of the future seems destined to come true despite everyone's efforts. How long will it be before Mohinder pays another visit to Isaac's place, with Sylar in tow?

Here's a thought.

Hiro teleported into the future from his present-time in Japan. This is how he acquired the comic book and saw Isaac's dead body. Physically, Hiro was present in Isaac's apartment on that day in November, as the explosion went off.
This day is rapidly approaching in "present-time". And I'm wondering if it will create a paradox. See, Hiro was in that apartment at that time. However, when the time comes around again, where will Hiro be? And if he's somewhere else, how is that even possible? How can Hiro exist in two places at the same time? Furthermore, what would happen if Hiro were to arrive at Isaac's apartment at the time of the explosion again, and run into himself? He knows when and where his past-self will be intersecting his present existence.

Another idea: What if Hiro had jumped into the future and visited Isaac's apartment, but it turns out Hiro wasn't alone? What if Peter was there too, but invisible, so Hiro never detected anything? I don't know what this would affect, but it'd be cool anyhow.

And now a big question about Peter has been answered: Yes, he can absorb oowers that were stolen by Sylar. This means that Peter has telekinesis, rapid freezing, memory recall and Sylar's innate "analysis" power.
Given that Peter has absorbed Sylar's natural skill, this is probably how he's rapidly become able to selectively choose which power he manifests, and when. In the end, it's probably a good thing the two met, as Sylar's power might just allow Peter to figure out how to avoid exploding (presuming he still wants to avoid it.)

Also, Mohinder is pretty much the biggest retard on the show. I hope he either manifests a power (like his sister did - powers tend to run in families) or gets killed off. Sylar is pretty much spelling himself out to Mohinder and Mohinder can't see through shit.

At last there seems to be some convergence between the Heroes. A trio has gathered in the Bennet household. Many are concentrated in NYC at the moment. And the rest are centering around Las Vegas.
The only question is how Niki, D.L. and Micah still fit into all this. Their only connection to the plot is a history with Linderman and several brief run-ins with various, other heroes. As Hiro is moving toward Vegas to find his sword, I hope that he'll be the catalyst that brings the rest into some kind of forward plot movement.

And was that Hayden Pannetiere in the Neutrogena commercial?

Hey, I'm sorry I didn't read your previous post, dude. I noticed the very same clue (the infinity gun) back when Eden shot herself, but I didn't write about it until later on. I guess there are other people who are just as keen to detail as I am. ^^

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About Peter's powers:

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At first, I thought that Peter couldn't absorb any power that Sylar had stolen, and for a reason. The reason being that this would make them have different powers since Peter, obviously, wouldn't be able to get the powers that Sylar got because Sylar kills his victims off. However, seeing as Peter actually CAN get the powers that Sylar stole, this makes Peter a lot more powerful than Sylar. Boring, IMO.

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Originally Posted by striped phantom

I hope I don't sound annoying when I keep bringing up the comics to answer some questions.

But Sylar did get hit by the bullets that Mr. Bennet shot at him (when he was about to kill Mrs. Bennet, but was stopped by Haitian and Bennet.)

You've guess right, it was shown in a comic (the same comic that Sylar mentioned about having Charlies power and also using ice powers.)

There is a frame of him by a dumpster near a gas station where he ran away to. There's blood on him and a handy sewing kit nearby that he used to stitch himself up. Maybe his "knowing how things work" teaches him to be a doctor too.

But there is some inconsistency in the show, where he doesn't show any signs of pain from the bullets.

He probably read how to stitch himself up in a book somewhere. Having the power to learn stuff he read almost instantly, he should be able to get a doctor's degree in no time if he so wishes.
I don't know about the pain part, but you could always take the easy way out and say that he understands how pain works and knows how to work around it.

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Originally Posted by parKbench

Why was the super-hearing giving Sylar such problems after he stole it? I thought he knew how things and powers worked, but he seemed to have trouble controlling the power. I don't remember him ever having any problems like that with the other powers that he stole.

I don't think that particular power has an on/off switch. He's just not used to super hearing and is getting headaches from it.

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Originally Posted by Sousuke

And in the DNA code. And on Hiro's sword. And in Isaac's paintings. [Painted as JUST a big symbol, on a few different canvases, in the first few episodes.]

And I'm sure I'm forgetting a lot more. I remember watching it from the beginning though, and spotting the symbol all over the place. I wonder what's up with it.

ANYWAY, about this week's episode... I'm in just about as much awe as everybody else. This was a great episode, for many reasons. I'm just kinda sad though, that

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Bennet had to go.

I liked him. The last few minutes of the episode were really powerful.

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Well, at least Bennet didn't croak. This is just a way to put him on ice for a while. I'm sure we'll see some more action coming from that part of the series later on.

Anyway, great episode. I had goose bumps! :O

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by The Mageling

Did anybody notice the scene 14 years ago with Claire, Mr. Bennet, and Hiro's father takes place on the roof where Peter and Simone kissed? Nothing in this show is a coincidence, so I'd bet that this will be important later on. It also explains why Claude frequents that area.

I don't think anyone failed to notice that...

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Originally Posted by The Furious One

I think the whole Linderman character will be a big deal next season, the whole back story of the paper company, connection between all the heroes, theres still so much more other than the bomb.

Yeah, I was just gonna say that, too, but you beat me to it. I somehow think they'll manage to stop the bomb this season, but the Linderman mystery will remain unsolved. I think Linderman is gonna be like The X-files' "cancer man", in a sense. He'll stick to the background until they run out of ideas :P

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Sylar/Peter theory:

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I don't think Sylar will succeed in killing Peter off. If you watch the preview of the next episode you'll see a flash from a scene where Peter has a wound on his forehead, blood dripping, only Sylar isn't doing any actual cutting. This either means that Sylar stopped it himself (unlikely) or that Peter used one/some of his powers (more than likely). Also, as some of you mentioned earlier, there is the scar theory which directly points to him actually surviving the attack. In addition to the scar theory, since Peter has a much worse time of activating his skills than Sylar has, it might be possible that he'll NOT be able to regenerate at that moment, thus producing a scar.

I personally don't think Mohinder will manifest any abilities at that moment, although I will keep my mind of him actually having super powers open.

Anyway, this show keeps getting better and better. Also, on a side note, the producers seem to take their time to read fan theories etc. to make the show better, thus being able to meet their viewer's expectations. I just hope they'll be able to keep it up.

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Originally Posted by DarkLink2135

Nah. Actually I think the plot is better off w/ Mohinder having no powers. I think it's more interesting when you have at least one main character who does NOT have any of these powers.

I agree. I don't think Mohinder needs any super powers at all, mainly because of his superior intellect. He's already great, character wise, as he is.

Having that said, I really don't think he has any super powers. It just wouldn't surprise me if he actually did. The same goes for Mr.Bennet, too.

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