Prospect of peace in middle east

The question is more "will this conflict involve the rest of the world?" and all signs point to yes.

I really wouldn't shed a tear if we just let the middle east degrade into all out chaos. Israel inflicts heavy (and I do mean, heavy) damages on the rest of the Arab population, before being driven completely into the sea. Then the EU and the US, mop up the aftermath and FREE OIL LIKE WUT.

Unfortunately, You've got Israel/US/Allied Forces on one side, and Palestine/Iran/Syria/Russia/China/DPRK on the other and a bunch of other nations that could go either way including Pakistan and India. Pakistan would most likely side with Palestine and India would swing in favor of us because they hate Pakistan.

We could sort of just drop our support of Israel in the region, considering that there's no real logical reason why we support them. Hell, that's the main reason we're so hated by the Arabs. We could have much stronger allies in the region than Israel, but we chose to support Israel and I think it's largely due to our religious standings.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Well, looking back at the history of the conflict, it seems heavily based in religion. Granted, Islam didn't really come about until sometime in the late 7th century, but since then you've had the crusades and the reinstitution of Israel as a sovereign nation after the second world war. Also, tracing any sort of "original ownership" in that region is kind of difficult, because if memory serves in the last 2500 or so years foreign conquest has been a constant: Persians->Macedonians->Romans->Persians (again?)->Crusaders->Turks->20th century.

I'm not anti-semetic, I'm not really anti-anything except anti-stupid. Historically the Israelites were nomadic people, it's because of a religious belief that the Palestinians and the Israelis can't get along. The Israelis want that particular piece of land because it holds religious meaning to them, the Palestinians want it because it was once their homeland.

Right now things are fucked up because the Israelis do enjoy a great amount of wealth and power in the region due to American influence. However, their neighbors live in slums. I'd be pretty fucking angry if I were Palestinian, too. Again, the Israelis' prosperity does come at a huge price. Mandatory service in the military for all citizens, regardless of sex. Living on edge because you never know when the next bus ride will be your last.

It is a complicated issue, I will give you that.

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Uhh, that's kind of what I'm saying, is that if we stop supporting Israel, it will be a weak state. It will, inevitably, be overrun by the surrounding nations that want to stake claim to their land.

Iran would be a much stronger ally, economically and militarily than Israel. We'd also probably become ALOT more friendly with Saudi Arabia, due to the fact that we buy their oil and are at least on speaking terms with them. If we've got those two on our side, Syria will undoubtedly follow.

Off-topic: Really, if we wanted to counteract the potential economic threat China poses in the coming decades, dumping Israel in favor of gaining Arab states' trust and cooperation would put us in the right direction. Because, right now, China is going to need a vast amount of oil to support their up and coming plans for industry expansion, if we can secure that oil source for our means, it would put China out of the game.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Isn't that kind of what's being discussed here?

Whether or not it would be "morally" (I tend not to think in terms of morality, especially when concerning governments and official bodies as they prove time and time again to be utterly corruptable) or politically acceptable/feasible to establish a Palestinian state.

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