Plans for the future of Gamingforce

I'm with Pang. Who really uses attachments? I've used it like maybe once for the .rar containing the gff banner psd files but that is actually related to GFF and useful. People attaching pictures of their desktop, sheet music, etc. should kindly fuck off to their nearest free and easy imagehost/filehost. Clear the attachments and disable the feature. Really, convince me why we should keep the feature if its just going to cause us pain.

I'm not completely enthused on moving Concert Hall and My Stuff from the forums for this reason. I'm not sure what would be a better use of the .com but I don't think its this.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

I had seven attachments. I've since deleted them and edited my older posts that had attachments with some bbcode linking to the attachments' new home on my own hosting.


For example:

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BBCode~ if you're interested:

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Just so I can be cool like Pang.

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Wait... I thought VGMdb was on its own hosting. We're still sharing? =o

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Bigblah

gamingforce.com isn't exactly a noble URL. It was and will always be known for filesharing. That's why I'm moving those forums back there, since I like to think our community has outgrown that.

I guess. I wasn't quite sure what we'd do with the .com anyway so I guess that's as good as anything. =|

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Acer, we're pretty much piggybacking on the VGMdb server.

Piggybacking VGMdb? Wut? VGMdb is a neat project and all but last I recall people round these parts donate and fund this server primarily for GFF. I could have sworn VGMdb was split from GFF to do its own thing for this and other reasons; not being associated with a thieves' playground being one of them. Really, I bet noone would raise an eyebrow if Wikipedia and Mininova were on the same server. =/

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Did you think we had the money to pay for two dedicated servers?

No, I wasn't aware that we needed the money to pay for two dedicated servers. Silly me.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Donations ran out a while ago. Right now we're paying for the server out of our own pockets.

I think folks would be more inclined to donate if they knew how much money was needed every month and/or how much money was left to pay each month.

Maybe something like this~



Pulled that shit from bitgamer btw

Originally Posted by Bigblah

To be frank, the admins are primarily paying for VGMdb.

Good to know. =/

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Yeah, what do you think I'm trying to accomplish by moving My Stuff as well (they don't use attachments).

I think you're trying to make more space for VGMdb and SD (whatever the fuck that is) because apparently the admins could give two half pennies about GFF.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Nope. Go ahead and prune like ya please. We'll still be here after your done. Maybe.

really blah i hope you understand where i'm coming from b/c jesus christ sometimes man sometimes

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Tails

Color me surprised here but VGMdb is 22GB? Really?

All that touhou shit.

For the sake of the collection each CD scan must be a 40 MB TIF file.

Originally Posted by Tails

Also not to be a dick or anything Pang but yeah Miles is a horrible weeaboo but what are his other options? Make entries about his daily life between working his ass off to pay for his place to live, school and this forum or interact with a community of assholes you have little in common with?

Really though you guys are some dickheads.

DID BOTH OF HIS KITTENS DIE OR SOMETHING? I REMEMBER THOSE ENTRIES. THOSE WERE GOOD. THERE WERE KITTENS IN THEM.

FELIPE NO

Uh huh so what happens when folks start moving their My Stuff things to their chocojournal like um people have already been doing? What if I want to tell people about what DS flash cartridge to get and list some of the great websites to get DS roms from? Folks link to cracks and torrents in the OS & Software forum to help others out. People who more than likely are using hacked copies of Photoshop and PaintShopPro are making art in Creator's Cafe. Where does it stop?

$2400 annually? Really? That's how much it costs a year to run this server? I think I'll start donating something rather nice if it means GFF actually has significance with you all.

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We used to own the house, Mush. Now we're just its renters clawing at the knees of our fellow rentees in order to get by each month.


I like how the idea to have a "how much money 'needed/left to pay' for this month" visual aid at the top of the forums (or at least on the fucking donations page) has not been discussed because that certainly wouldn't be helpful at all.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Speaking personally, Blah, rather we should, because that way we won't be treated like some poor street urchins sucking the sap from the server.

Let's see $2400 divided by 3 (GFF, VGMdb, and SD) = $800. But I'm sure that's probably not right since one of us is probably using more storage than the other and perhaps one of us is probably using more bandwidth than the other. So sure let's throw an extra 100 bucks on top of that just in case.

So $900 divided by 12 = $75. So if I were to donate 75 to 100 bucks a month you're afraid you'd have to treat GFF like equals to VGMdb and SD? Awww... would changing such a status quo and sharing the server cost equally be so frustrating and painful, Blah? I'm sorry if the concept of not being able to slight some poorly hidden contempt our way because of GFF monthly fees being taken care of by GFF members instead of by some group of almost seemingly unrelated shadowy benefactors who graciously allow this place existence upsets you. I really am.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Acer, are you really that upset that Concert Hall doesn't get to use our server space for their attachments? Really now, this move benefits GFF as much as it does our other two domains.

I don't give a flying fuck about Concert Hall, Blah. Move it. Burn it to the ground. Like I give two shits. My beef is with this sudden order of respect you've revealed in this thread.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Acer, we're pretty much piggybacking on the VGMdb server. Did you think we had the money to pay for two dedicated servers?

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Donations ran out a while ago. Right now we're paying for the server out of our own pockets. To be frank, the admins are primarily paying for VGMdb.

1. Why were we not informed that GFF was not the only tenant of the server?
2. Why were we not informed that donation money was not being sufficent enough?

And then I absolutely adore how you respond to Pang.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

While obviously these decisions are down to whoever's paying the bills, I don't think it's unreasonable to be somewhat agitated at the notion that the board essentially exists at the pleasure of VGMdb (of all things), that the community is considered less important than an overblown card catalogue.

How did that even happen? VGMdb appears to be several months younger than this iteration of GFF so exactly at what point did it become "VGMdb's server"? Was there a big ceremony with handing over the keys to Squirrel and all that.

By all means you do whatever you have to, I just think it's a little underhanded that this has all suddenly come out now. "O hey, incidentally, Kaleb owns you guys."

With this:

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Oh, please. The effort to split the two forums from GFF is barely worth it as it is. I know most of you have never administered anything other than Dreamhost's one-click MediaWiki install but trust me, this shit isn't trivial.

Since you're all upset that GFF apparently isn't top on my list of priorities, maybe someone would like to step up and take over. I'm tired of this song and dance.

Yeah, I get it. You know how to move the stars and planets, and you are entitled to your priorities and where you place your efforts and enjoyment. We have CHz for a reason (he's awesome and fun to play with). However your priorities and attitude displayed in here are painting a picture where the high and mighty Blah looks down upon the cretins that squander his land to which the mighty Blah smirks and relays a message to the people that they have had masters all along and that they would do good to look down upon their shackles with great joy and praise the sky where their masters set forth their posteriors to rest lest they wish for gazes of disapproval.

Originally Posted by Pangalin

Don't you guys have a place explicitly dedicated to having these internecine squabbles out of the public view?

Oh we do, Pang, but despite that Blah chose not to confer in that particular privacy with staff on his important decisions. Instead Blah carried forth such declarations and certain enlightenment in this very public and open place of discussion, and now here we stand to perform upon this stage to flutter and prance before all who wish to witness splendor and awe.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Do you not remember when we delayed the restoration of GFF during the last crash? That was because Miles was busy saving the data for VGMdb off the broken hard drive -- on our dime too, since we weren't going to ask GFF members to pay for something that wasn't theirs. In fact, in my temporary message put up on gamingforce.org I explicitly stated that GFF and VGMdb were hosted on the same drive

Okay I'll give you that it's probably my fault that I didn't know GFF and VGMdb were on the same server. I must have skipped reading your message from that last crash completely or just plum forgot it. My bad. However SD sharing the bill is something I wasn't made aware of until now. Neither was donations running dry and forcing VGMdb admins to cough up the dough that donations from GFF could have been helping with. Miles asked a few months ago for some donation help to which I obliged. A need was shown and it was fulfilled. If only we had an indication say up top or on the donation page to show us what GFF needed to pay in order to keep this whole ship afloat. If only.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Nobody made a fuss about it then. Why now?

Having GFF and VGMdb on the same server is all fine and dandy and you two did a noble thing to spend the money to save VGMdb (and GFF) off of that broken harddrive. The problem I have now is GFF being treated like second banana to VGMdb due to how the server is funded nowadays. The only issue with having GFF and VGMdb on the same server as previously mentioned is GFF's pirate booty party times.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

What do you want me to do, Acer? Get down on my knees and suck your dick, because you're suddenly waving money in my face?

I only flaunt money because I want GFF to pull its fucking weight like VGMdb and SD. Why is that such a bad thing, Blah?

Originally Posted by Bigblah

I'm sorry that I hurt your ego, but if your only argument against this decision is my tone of voice, I'm going to devote my attention elsewhere.

Again you forget that my argument isn't against this decision of moving The Concert Hall, My Stuff, and the 15 GB of attachments. My argument is against this:

Originally Posted by Bigblah

There's four regular contributors to the monthly fees now, so we don't have to rely on donations anymore. Speaking personally, I'd rather not, because people have arbitrary expectations of what donations entitle them to.

The only entitlement that I want by helping keep GFF matching the monthly bills of VGMdb and SD (or whatever amount of payment is deemed fair and proper) is that GFF is shown the equal respect it once had. That is all.

The only proper argument I have against the decision you're going to make in moving The Concert Hall and My Stuff to the .com is that unless you don't want it to make a giant bleep on the RIAA/whateverthehellelsecopyrightprotectionagency radar you'll need to give it a cover of some sort. The forums gave those two hideaways the camouflage they needed to survive without hundreds of take-down notices being hurled our way. I argue that without a proper cover The Concert Hall and more importantly My Stuff will have to be destroyed or reformed to the extent that they are deemed pointless be that a good thing or a bad thing. We need something else to take place on the .com. Something decently sized like our forums. You could place a fake forum on top of that but that seems rather wasteful. I have had no idea what we should do with the .com besides it being used as the current redirect but I'd hoped that it would be something slightly special in the future. That is why I stated "I'm not completely enthused on moving Concert Hall and My Stuff from the forums for this reason. I'm not sure what would be a better use of the .com but I don't think its this." However I grant you that the move must be done for storage reasons and for the future safety of the server. I propose that the .com still be used for something good despite mostly being a cover for The Concert Hall and My Stuff.

and good lord these blueprints (this thread) need to be stored somewhere private eventually lest we wish to invite the enemy in for punch and pie

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Originally Posted by Bigblah

Miles did say that it was another $30 a month to double our disk space. We could afford that but you'd agree it's more cost effective to move CH instead. Moving My Stuff is just a matter of killing two birds with one stone.

Just throwing out if it's for the sake of the server GFF resides on even if it is VGMdb and SD needing more space I'd be willing to help fund it.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Also, I've already addressed the issue of priorities. I have stated before that I'm preoccupied with VGMdb, that's exactly why I pushed for CHz to take over my role. He's been doing great so far, don't you think?

That's jolly good. And I've acknowledged how wonderful CHz is already. It was a wise decision.

And I can see that you are preoccupied with VGMdb. I took a visit last night and the place looks great. Well, besides a few graphical buttons here and there which I'm very tempted to fix up and pass off to you in hopes to be rid of the dreaded white pixel matte that befouls your canvas. May I be of service in that regard?

Originally Posted by Bigblah

Let me put it this way: even if I'm not that enamoured with GFF recently, Miles is still the de facto owner of the server, so rest assured he has your backs.

Cool. Cool. That won't change my stance on keeping an eye on the first mate says and does in regards to the ship. If it helps, I still trust your decision making for the most part.

Originally Posted by Bigblah

I'm indeed planning to shelter the .com side from public view. As for what could be made public and what should be kept private, I'm planning to leave in the hands of the admins and moderators there.

Very good. I look forward to this.

How ya doing, buddy?

Speaking of, according to Blah I like it in the rear.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

As much as most of us dislike The Concert Hall, Rychord has a point in that we could probably just move The Musician's Library in order to avoid legal ramifications.

However as Blah says it would give The Concert Hall a chance at their own community if the entire CH was moved. Hmmmm...

FELIPE NO

That's not a terrible idea. But I'm gonna keep with the notion that at least illegal stuff of The Musician's Library would be moved because well we're still planning on moving My Stuff no matter what. Might as well take one other dubious facet over to the .com while we're at it. I wouldn't mind having a deloused version of The Concert Hall sticking around on the .org. I know you guys seem to follow your rules fairly well and new ones probably wouldn't be that big a deal especially if you know there's a certain den only three different characters in a url away.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

packrat, My Stuff and The Musician's Library are liabilities to the server we all reside on. They have to be moved. I can see The Concert Hall staying as long as it stays clean.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Point 1 of moving The Musician's Library
* it takes most of the forum attachments off of GFF and frees up space that the server needs

Point 2 of moving The Musician's Library
* it removes one obvious (albeit minor compared to My Stuff) liability to the server

Point 1 + Point 2 = Problem solved!

There's nowhere I can't reach.