Maximum signature dimensions

Hey guys chocosig supports up to 75 kb now. So does that mean the rules have changed to let up to 75 kb? That'd be swell.

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Yes I'd like to see this addressed as 50kb really does suck. 200kb limit is what I think is reasonable. Seriously what's the big deal? 56k has learned to deal with bandwidth sucking sites for years now. Why make the majority suffer for them?

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I still optomize my images, Blah. But sometimes there isn't much you can do.

Take this beauty here.



It barely fits on imageshack at 1022.5 KB and I pulled a bunch of tricks for that. It's well within sigpic dimensions but I can't make it anywhere near the 50 kb or 70 kb without it looking like shit and/or being really fucking small like my current guu sigpic. And when I do that I lose more detail and you can hardly tell what it comes from.

So while I can do low-frame count gif in the 50 kb limit okay it's one bitch in and a half to do it with larger-frame count gifs. I often have to find opportune gif opportunities where I can clear out most of the gif and have mostly one background and have new frames for just mouth movements. I barely squeezed by with the bears in my sigs by pulling off a lot of tricks and believe me it takes hours of fucking irritating time.

Now let me show you what 200 kb will let you pull off with the gif I showed you above.

at 64 colors and no dither

and even smaller, no dither but 256 colors.

Do you see the small range in those sizes and how much I was able to get out of that while being in just the 200 kb limit? I don't think I'm being unreasonable here. So now reduce that 150 kb more and see that "oh boy it's not fun times at all."

Hell it might be that Adobe ImageReady is a sucky program for making optimized gifs in. If you could recommend one that is better and that'll let me crack in decent size gifs without looking like shit while allowing for the current limits then fine but I'm not seeing it right now.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

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I fail to see how it's any worse than your cat which scurries off into an invisible wall halfway across your sig space. But I digress it was merely an example and to get upset over it would be ima- FUCK YOU SHIN! >=U

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Yeah I loved that one Eleo. I wanted to do something like that too but oh no more files equals more cry time for 56k or some crap.

Also, no Elixir. The dimensions are fine as is.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Yeah seriously, it would be awesome if people could just block sigs that were a certain size and higher if they wanted to. This would be nice for 56kers. How hard would that be to implement?

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by Elixir

Seems kind of stupid to have dimensions which slightly stretch people's signatures yet the filesize is still so low. That's the equivalent of having a 1600x resolution wallpaper in 16bit.

Also, isn't Megalith's signature stretching the signaturepostbit length? Whatever.

Why are you using my sig space as an example? I told you my sigpic was ridiculously smaller than normal. I've had no issues with the width and height limits of sigpics they have here although it would be nice if they got rid of that stupid 2 picture limit. I could see that getting out of hand but in the case of Eleo there's a good reason for more than 2 images. Besides he still followed dimension and size rules so I don't see why that shouldn't be allowed.

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Originally Posted by Bigblah

Shall we lower the dimensions, then?

I recall that Aardark made a thread about this a while ago, and people were generally in favour of reducing the image dimensions.

You know I don't remember it being that way. I remember most people thought the dimensions were fine as is.

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Okay that's retarded for two reasons. One, if you saw the images broken up like that you'd smack your browser and F5 it until it got it right. Two, you're talking about 56k here. They have been dealing with a broadband internet world for years now. This is a yawn procedure for them by now.

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That's very subjective. Explain more, Shin. Maybe with examples?

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Well, personally, Shin, I think what's really wrong with www.sega.co.jp's ava/sig is that it's two completely different interests. It's fine when someone like Mush does that b/c he changes them a lot but sega always has this huge Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex 2nd Gig sigpic which never matches his avatar. What the hell does metal sonic have to do with GitS SAC 2nd Gig? Nothing, that's what, and neither have any of the other avatars he's had (as far as I know). He's always had that damn sig with no matching GitS avatar.

Unless you're going to pull a Mush, have your ava/sig be around the same topic.


Also, Shin, you're biased against anime and so while I'd love it if it were easy enough for you to just right click on a huge anime sigpic and tell it to not display (unless there is a firefox plugin for that) there's not much we can do about that.

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Aardark

Also, since when do signatures and avatars have to match?

They don't. I think the point here though is that something that annoys me isn't true for everyone.

I mean who are you even talking about? Merv? Perhaps there is a reason there's a big-eyed anime character in his ava/sig. Yeah, that would be because he's watching Wandaba Style right now.

Originally Posted by Elixir

I think ava/sig combos should be matching, otherwise it's just annoying. Though anybody who hasn't seen Guu probably doesn't know that Acer's avatar matches his signature, and vise versa.

Well yeah, if anyone was that curious by now they'd know that they can click somewhere in my sig and find a couple easter eggs that'll tell them what my ava/sig is from or they just PM or IM me which has happened quite a few times. A couple of times I've even provided them with said anime to enjoy. Does your ava/sig give you chances to share your interests? [/braggart]

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What is so terrible about that? I'm only asking for 200kb. That really isn't much. In order to get 200kb for a glorified dance sequence as you'd call it, it most likely couldn't be huge anyway to look half decent.



or



Both just under 200kb.

If that's huge to you then maybe you need to up the resolution on your monitor from 800x600 and join the rest of society.

I was speaking idiomatically.

New sig is looking pretty good sega.co.jp

See, it would be nice if we could just have an option you can set so it doesn't display sigpics over a certain chosen size. That way Aardack could set it to 5kb and get a sigpic every century or so and the rest of us could get on with our lives.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Originally Posted by www.sega.co.jp

Or even better, submit a thumbnail, or a 16color version of the sig. Imageshack makes a thumbnail, so why not GFF?

Actually when making quotes with pictures in them on Something Awful it automatically makes a thumbnail of the picture to make the quote smaller. I think it's pretty nifty.

Originally Posted by Aardark

Dude, honestly, I didn't realize that not being able to put a movie in your sig literally put your life to a halt. If your situation is honestly so grim, then seriously, go ahead and do it; no more complaints from me.

Look dude, I put a lot of time into my ava/sigs and when I'm about to export it and I find out I have to remove 80 percent of the color or resize it until it's tiny and loses a lot of its detail just so it can meet our tiny 50 kb limitation for sigpics I get a little pissed off. Oh and that's AFTER I do a ton of tricks to optimize it in attempt to shave off a couple kb already. I only wanted my current bear sigpic at 200x150. That's hardly asking much but OH NO it's over 50kb. It's easily under 200kb but man that's just too friggin' much to ask for. Go over 50kb and suddenly you're ruining the Internet ESPECIALLY if that gif you've spent a couple hours on comes from an anime. An anime! For fucking shame! For that atrocity I should be locked in jail with all the pedophiles, rapists, and furries!

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No actually, I've been fairly okay with 50kb. I just like overreacting here because people start going crazy when you go over the limits around here because a couple kb is really gonna kill you. I can't remember if I was as vocal the last time around but I remember Aardy wanting filesize and dimensions reduced for some reason or other and I think that was and still is a crap idea and I'm going to tell him it's a crap idea otherwise who knows someone might actually listen to him.

I don't see what the big deal is. People tolerate 200 kb pictures in posts all the time. So let's just say I decided to get rid of my signature and just post the signature code everytime I post. Would I have to abide by the sigpic rules then? Is it suddenly spam? There are people who sign their posts with their name all the time and they don't get warnings or anything. I see that as almost the same thing.

Really, I don't know who made the 50kb cutoff but they must of had static gifs and jpegs in mind when they made that decision. If you can make an animated gif that looks great, comes out at the size you want, and still makes it under 50kb then that is great, but I don't think if you work that hard that you should have to dumb it down just so it can make that limit if it happens to be over it.

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Originally Posted by BlueMikey

I think anyone who rails so much to be able to display these in their sig doesn't have much of a right to complain about what other people display, as you did above.

BlueMikey, fuck off. It was just an example of what an animated gif with a decent amount of frames would look like as a 200kb sigpic. I thought one of the big complaints was that people were saying that one of the reasons for not wanting to up it to 200kb was people would just make really huge, long annoying gifs and so I showed that as an example to prove if you wanted a long gif it's going to end up pretty small if you don't want it to look like total shit. I never said I was going to use it as a sigpic. It was just a god damn example. Because really I can make super fucking annoying animated gif avatars and sigpics easily within the limits now if that's what you think I'm aiming for.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Speeding is a pretty shit example, Mikey. That's like telling me I should be punished for downloading a big file too fast because I'm on a good broadband connection. Uh oh looks like some kilobytes were flying down that information superhighway too quickly and endangered some kilobytes going the good ol' speed limit we set around here. That's complete idiocy.

Originally Posted by BlueMikey

I said something, then deleted it, then typed something completely different, and deleted it again. Too easy, sir.

I'm not quite following what you're saying there.

Originally Posted by BlueMikey

I will reiterate that I don't really give a shit as long as it doesn't make the download too huge and is something we can all safely view at work. Your plan fails these parameters.

My sigpics are work-safe and since, unless you have a really shitty webbrower that has no cache what-so-ever, you only have to load them once and whenever you see a post of mine again that image is already there.

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Sorry son, biggermiu doesn't fit in the sig dimensions which I think are just perfect at the moment but hey maybe you can get away with it on April 1st or something. ='D

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Hmmm you might have a point. I mean I haven't experienced some good horizontal scrolling in a good while, what with my 1920x1200 resolution monitor. A few biggermiu sigpics would really enhance my experience. =)

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by JUST DECLARED WAR

Be careful what you say. I could take this as staff approval of this idea, you know.

Well you could but I'm not sure how well that would pan out with the higher ups.

"But Acer said!"
"But Acer... fist to your face! Sigpic deleted!"

Originally Posted by Shin

Acer. If your problem is having spent a load of time on something and wanting to show it off, isn't that what Creators Cafe is for?

lol no my problem is I felt like being a bitch in this thread. ='D

Originally Posted by Shin

I didn't mean to sound like it's only large anime pics I dislike, it's large pics of anything that I find objectionable. Anime avatars I dislike simply because they all look exactly the bloody same to anyone with only a passing interest in the field.

Yeah my roommate's friend dislikes anime for that reason too.

Originally Posted by Shin

If people want a huge, animated sigpic, why not make a thumbnail version themselves for their sig and link to the bigger picture so anyone who's interested can go look (As I believe Acer has at the moment).

Yeah actually that's one of the reasons I started putting links in my sigpics was that since I had the limitation I could at least let people watch a clip or sequence of what I was referencing since I wouldn't be wasting people's bandwidth so much if they weren't interested.

Originally Posted by Shin

Alternatively, could the option to not display pictures while browsing be made more specific so as not to show sigs or avs or pictures all together? That way the filesize could be increased, the 56k kiddies could turn them off and Acer could put some longer cartoons under each of his posts.

Yeah, I think giving users the option of setting the max amount of kilobytes that can be displayed in a sig is a very good idea. The more options the better.

Originally Posted by Shin

Personally I don't care about the filesize so much as the dimensions (and gaudiness). I browse GFF in a window a third the height of the screen (I don't want people at work reading over my shoulder) and often the entire window is full of someone's sig. I'd also quite like an option to turn off the banner at the top for the same reasons...

Yes more options! I'd really like it if we could create our own profile settings. So say Shin is at work; he has it set so that no sigs are displayed and no banner but everything else is enabled and he names that profile @Work. Then at home he just uses the default profile everything enabled. How hard would this be. Hell would it be so hard just to make a new style called @Work like Lite Set?

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Well I don't know if it's possible to have a script or not that just checks files before they are displayed or not or if it would have to load those files anyway. Yeah I only suggested it as an idea if it were possible.

I host my sigpics on imageshack anyway, OP, so I already had that in mind to begin with.

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What? I thought bobo had agreed to grant server access for all admins and especially you. That sucks.

Yeah, I wondered if checking sigs all the time would take a hit on the servers. Personally, if this were ever to be used I'd have a default where the process was disabled so users that didn't want to limit the size of sigpics didn't have to tax the server with that process while those who did want the limiter would be the only ones doing so.

The whiny tone is me probably just being tired for staying up too late too often. Sorry guys. But I think the @Work style would be nice for those at work. I mean, I don't know how it works when you log onto another computer but doesn't it always load up the style set or is it on an individual browser/computer basis? I'm gonna go test this...

Yeah, I just logged onto GFF on IE and set it to Lite Set and then in Firefox when I refreshed the forums it was in Lite Set. Then when I went over to my roommate's computer and logged onto GFF it was also on Lite Set.

It would be nice if you could do it for a per computer basis so that when someone goes to work they don't always have to switch it from default to Lite Set everytime. Just an idea. I'm sure it's not that big of a deal but it would save people the trouble of having to go to Options and switch every time they go to work or come home.

Oh hmmm... just noticed that in Lite Set you still have to disable avatars and sigs and whatnot yourself. I thought it came like that before. Perhaps that was only in the old forum. So yeah change that from Lite Set to having them have to turn on and off avatars, sigs, and what not in addition to maybe switching to Lite Set in Shin's case (remember he doesn't want to see the banner either).

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Yeah, that's why it would be nice to have profiles that you could just have loaded at specific computers i.e. work and home.

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Ah this is good to know. Thanks RR. =)

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Like how so again, Merv? =o

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