[Question] DS or PSP for ME?

One thing I want you to keep in mind in waiting for the DSi is that it will not be able to play GBA games if you are interested in that. On the other hand it might have good downloadable software that is exclusive to it but I wouldn't bet the farm that they aren't gimmicky Brain Age touch generation garbage. So keep in mind that you'll be losing the ability to play GBA games if you wait for a DSi. Speaking of waiting you'll have to keep your eyes on the horizon as Reggie (Nintendo of America president) doesn't plan on bringing it over well into 2009 as opposed to Japan who is getting it this November. Oh don't think about importing one from Japan either because its DSi is region-locked for its interface and exclusive software.

Right, so you can wait forever and a half for the DSi expected to cost near 200 bucks or get a DS lite for cheap right now and perhaps nab a CycloDS to further your savings by not having to buy into a game library that honestly doesn't require further support for its stagnating efforts.

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Skills er... leprenigger also brings up a good point that the DSi has crap battery life compared to the DS lite.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

Is that a justification for piracy outside of "I'm a cheap shit"? Because seriously Acer.

I don't have a problem with it, but let's not sugar coat what it actually is, dude.

Oh let's not. I like being cheap. However, it's true that the majority of games on both platforms are complete garbage.

And anyway I see a girl who largely doesn't pay attention to gaming as it were. Any of these games that we suggest will probably be in a bargain bin, used, or in whatever form that won't be any benefit to whoever made the game. She's obviously a student and could use any money she can hold on to so I made a suggestion that would be in keeping of that.

Originally Posted by Qwarky

And the notion that games like Contra 4 and Bangai-O Spirits don't "require further support" makes me see Acer in an even worse light

Hey, if you like or want to support a particular game and want to see more games like it then feel free to buy it. For the couple games that I do enjoy a lot I buy a copy. But just to spit in your face I'm not buying Contra 4 or Bangai-O Spirits because I simply don't give a shit about those games.

How ya doing, buddy?

I don't see why it's so hard to see it as being both. But sure go ahead. I'll be your cowboy up to no good if you like.

How ya doing, buddy?

Buying used games = developers have already gotten the money from someone else, you can't show the developers direct support because when you buy used games your money goes directly to the retailer (usually GameStop) and never further than that.

If a game is still new and available and you know you want to support that game then that is a different story. You can buy that game and commit a sale that actually goes into the tally that publishers get to see and that usually determines if developers get the support to make another good game and possibly a good game like the one you supported.

For instance even if I did care about Contra 4 the likelihood that I'd find a copy unused is pretty fucking low. How the fuck am I punishing a developer by not buying it? For one I don't care about that game but assuming you convinced me that I must have that game it's already too late to show support for the developer. Any copies I'll find to buy will be unheard by their publisher.


So should I play Contra 4 on my CycloDS or go to GameStop and buy a used copy for 20 bucks it's about the same in supporting developers in that it doesn't support developers at all. Just in one situation I'm not giving GameStop money.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

I dunno. The part about being a cheap ass maybe.

Also, you've yet to show how I'm punishing developers for making good games.

I was speaking idiomatically.

How can you encourage their creation when they see no direct feedback from a purchase? Did you miss the part about a title not being available in stores still new which when purchased actually counts towards the SOLD GAMES tally? Used games don't go into that since they've already been put into the count by the person who originally purchased it who more likely than not wasn't you. You fart in their general direction, blow a kiss, or erect a statue made of sweet corn in their honor it'll mean the same jack shit to them that buying a used game or not buying a used game at all in terms of giving them a pat on the back for their good efforts.

See, I think you're missing the point I'm making. You can only support these guys when you buy a new game that counts as a sale where the publishers and developers then get money. If I know I'm going to like a game on the DS or have played a DS game on the Cyclo that I enjoyed and full well know it is still available for purchase NEW AND UNUSED and that I can say hay Capcom or hay Nintendo or hay Sega or hay god forbid EA with them actually receiving my of cash I'd certainly then purchase said game and then fling it into the pile.

You've still yet to show how I'm punishing developers for making good games.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Infernal, you've created a monster. <3

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Originally Posted by Leprenigger

For fuck's sake Acer, stop backpeddling and trying to change the direction of the argument away from the direct piracy topic. When you directly bring up the Cyclo, that's kinda the point being discussed. Why you're harping on used sales when I've repeatedly stated that's NOT WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT IN THE LEAST is starting to make me wonder if Lix has jacked your account sometime in the last two days in a poor attempt at trolling.

Shhh... stop ruining my fun by pointing out the obvious. But okay really yeah jerk move on my part to suggest a poor college student who doesn't give a shit about gaming to save some money. I'll leave it up to her if she takes the suggestion, does what I do and test waters for games I'm on the edge with and some actual developer monetary gain bullshit argument like me, or be a complete pirate.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

Also, both Contra and Bangai-O are available new from online retailers like Amazon, and a majority of titles this dumb bitch will want to play are still available as such. You're suggesting this woman immediately buy a flash card and start stealing whatever the fuck she wants to save a few bucks. Be it widely available or not.

Ah, whenever I look for titles on Amazon they're usually used. Didn't even think about checking for online retail, so I'm sorry if wrong on those two but I was just using them as an example of games I remember not seeing new and available at my local Best Buy and GameStop stores.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

You've also suggested that I was correct in my assumption that your stance is "don't-support-it-at-all" to fight what you think is a stagnating library.

Honestly this is just me being a bit pissy at Nintendo for not releasing/showing off an actual successor to the DS.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

So, taking those two points together, it seems relatively logical that you're suggesting that none of the software deserves support, regardless of if it's considered quality or not.

Nope, that statement was in the context of my suggestion for a Cyclo on my assumption that she's a poor college student who doesn't really care all that much about gaming and my indifference if she supports it or not.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

The suggestion that quality software deserves to be stolen instead of purchased just because you're thinking the entire platform has a crap library is indeed punishing them for their effort. Rocket science?

Oh yeah, HEY EVERYBODY GO STEAL SOFTWARE. THAT'S MY MANTRA. WAVING MY JOLLY ROGER OVER HERE. FREE SOFTWARE YA YA YA. YOU BOY IN THE STREET. ARE YOU PLAYING POKEMON? YOU LIKE IT? FUCK YOU GO TO THE INTERNET AND DOWNLOAD THAT SHIT. I DON'T EVER WANT TO SEE YOU GIVING MONEY TO THE MAAAN AGAIN. NO, YOU CAN'T HAVE A PHYSICAL COPY TO TREASURE. NO NO NO NO.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

But you've backpedalled pretty hard with "lol I would have bought it if I liked it; USED GAMES ETC" so even I'm having trouble understanding what you're trying to say at this point. All I'm saying is the pirate-holier-than-thou attitude is bullshit and you know it.

I do what I will with my pirating. I tell people that I know who I suggest getting a Cyclo that hey it can save you some good money but I'm not going to stop you if you want to then go buy a physical copy of a game you liked and if they don't want to then that's fine too. Potentially, a good angelic consumer can benefit from the Cyclo if they just want to use it as an all in one device so they don't have to carry 20 little cartridges on their person.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

I can't tell if this is a 0/10 or a 10/10 troll, Acer. But it's one or the other.

Fuck you, I'm super serious here, guy. Rooting for a -10/10 myself actually. Help me out, Skills. We can get there if we work together.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

I have a bit of a problem with that, especially if you have the money and want the game, but are too cheap to actually spend money on it. If you don't think the game is worth its price at launch then wait until it's price is reduced to a point that you are happy to pay. If, however, you pirate on day one because you want to play the game but don't want to spend money, then yeah, that's a bit off and if you're happy with what that is then so be it.

Sometimes I just feel like being a jerk to a developer because I still got a bit of fanboy faggotry stuck in my veins. It's a stupid stance and it's unjustified but I get my rocks off anyway in my own little world. Sometimes... sometimes... I play games by Square Enix on my Cyclo just because I'm disappointed by their lack of support of good games on the console front (mainly Wii because I'm a crass act like that) and this is my way at getting back at them oh ho ho ho. For instance I won't be buying Chrono Trigger but goodness I'll give it a shot and god willing get to that super special extra dungeon they're giving us.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

But the issue Skills has with Acer's original statements is that it he attempts to justify piracy and make it sound like a "hey, it's OK to do this" sort of deal, which it isn't. We get that it happens, and in some cases it wasn't a lost sale anyway, but don't act like you're Mr Cool Guy by pirating.

I'm not going to act like the repentant sinner to the Church of Skills either. He's still yet to prove how I'm punishing developers for making good games. Although I've given him a great example in the above. Brownie points!

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

I agree understand Acer's point that used games don't see profit going back to the devs/publisher, but I disagree that that's a good enough reason to justify piracy.

No, it's not a good justification. Hardly any are but I like giving excuses anyway. I just don't like it when someone says I'm punishing a developer by not buying used games because they are wrong. I can't punish a developer by buying used games or by not buying used games. I'll concede that I'm probably not helping developers by pirating their games that I only find used in stores and I'm not completely justified and it serves as a pretty wishwashy excuse.

The worst thing as a gamer you could possibly do is find a game you know is going to be awesome and you yourself say oh man this game was made for me and I appreciate what the developers have made oh baby yeah gonna go pirate this day one and never give them a cent. In situations like that I try not to do that. Professor Layton for example. I fucking love games that are similar in nature to those of old adventure click n' play classic LucasArts/Sierra variety. I still have Layton in shrink wrap. I play it in my Cyclo though. I've paid for both Phoenix Wright Ace Attorney 2 and 3 from Capcom's online store but never fucking received them. I feel complete and utterly justified in playing those games on my Cyclo DS.

Originally Posted by Zergrinch

I pirate games first and then buy those which I like later, when they're in the bargain bin. I make no excuses. Am I a bad person?

Yes.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

See whilst Acer's argument is that because used games don't see money going back to the devs it's OK to pirate, what that argument handily skips over is that it potentially hurts consumers. See if everyone took that attitude then stores would no longer offer money for used games which means they wouldn't take trade-ins, which for quite a few people (especially kids) is one of they key ways they can get money towards new titles (new titles which do contribute to their developers).

Never thought about it that way because I try to make sound purchases when I buy my games so I almost always keep my games. I've only sold some games to Gamestop once and those were some shitty EA games I'd been given that I never wanted that were gathering dust and taking up space. Well gee in that regards my apologies to little Jimmy for any unintended ill will. However, if my severe lack of game returns is any indications I think GameStop will live on just fine.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Square Enix is just one case. I play favorites like anyone else might on what companies I like, so Square Enix is not the only one I do that silly business to. For example my evil eye is always looking at Konami for not doing more with Goemon over here.

And also you pretty much get me. I LOVE options. I'd like to think I do have some scruples though.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

I just have a problem with people who think they're doing it for reasons outside of "I'm cheap". No one's fighting the man. Like I said earlier, no one here is Robin Hood. The earlier statements last page certainly made it seem like that's how some people viewed themselves. This's a site that's got a lot of piracy ties. Would I be here if I cared about that? There were some bullshit excuses made earlier, and now they're being corrected, so.

BUT SKILLS I AM ROBIN HOOD. I'M SO FIGHTING THE MAN. IT'S SO MUCH FUN. WHY CAN'T YOU SEE THIS? HURGRABLEGRBL

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

After finally getting an explanation for it though, I finally see what Acer truly meant last page. Would have been nicer half an argument ago instead of diverting off into how much buying second hand blows but eh, what can you do. Shit happens

My diversion tactics are puddling up in excess. Yeeees this dumbass argument is for me to lose. You can't take that away from me so easily, Skills! Continue barking you sloven dog you. GRRRRR.

Originally Posted by Leprenigger

Besides, I did explain the punishment statement, around thirty four times but I guess Acer just doesn't see it that way.

Being honest here. I understand full well how piracy can very directly punish developers who make good games. What you haven't explained is how I myself in my methods am punishing developers. I'm being stubborn on that point. Anyway, I use piracy as a means to an end and in a sense a filter. Please condemn me for that if you will. I suppose that further explanations have possibly cleared this up a little though.

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Originally Posted by Leprenigger

Edit: That above sort of thing was the entire basis of my complaint and argument. That's what's horseshit. None of this other reasoning.

<3<3<3 yeeeees it so much beautiful horseshit but I love doing it~ sorry skills~ *kisses*

There's nowhere I can't reach.

'BOUT TO GET MESSY IN HERE *crank**crank**crank*

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Not everything is available online unused though. Well not always anyway. This isn't to say I don't buy used games because I do. It's just in those situations where I'd really like to support the developers but can't easily do so because I've decided to buy a game a few weeks or months after its release for whatever reason and then don't see it in stores unused that I then just give up and buy it used in the best condition I can find. I tend to go on splurges at my local GameStop so if I see a game in the store that I've heard good things about I'll get it and I usually ask if they have any new copies of games I bring up to the counter. I should probably get into preordering games online or just visiting my store with this in mind more often. Been a while since I've done that.

I give into this kind of temptation to test waters with the DS when it's this easy to pirate. However I've yet to install a modchip in a console though because I'm fucking lazy and worry I'll end up bricking the machine while soldering or through installing some dumbshit firmware update. But god damn the DS doesn't even put up a fight.

I am a dolphin, do you want me on your body?

Oh my problem isn't that my Gamestop doesn't have games I like it's just the situation I brought up where I'd like to directly support a developer with a purchase of a new unused copy of a game where it becomes a problem of availability and I then have to (again I'm speaking of this at the local level) buy a used game. I'll concede that if after that I go and pirate something instead it's usually becuase I'm being a cheap asshole or I don't feel it's worth spending money on a certain game/mefightingthemanbullshit and also being a cheap asshole. But like I said that usually only happens for DS games and some PC games.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

What the god damn fuck?! What shit-hole backwards fucktard staffing miniscule scale backwater stores do you go to that don't have copies of titles a few months, let alone the fucking 'few weeks' after release? That sir, is bull-fucking-shit by the truck load. I could walk out into the high street tomorrow and find brand new copies of all the launch title games for the current generation of consoles, which, if memory serves is a bit more than 'a few months'.

I wish I had your stores. I'd shop there instead. No, usually unless they are really popular titles you will only see new copies at my GameStops for two maybe three weeks. After that they don't give a shit and stock used copies they seem to inevitably get in and usually for more obscure titles they order little more than the preorders they fill out. Best Buy is an odd beast around here. Usually when I go to find something there it won't be available unless it's really popular but then a game I did want but couldn't find there my last visit is sitting in a nice stack almost laughing at me.

Originally Posted by OmagnusPrime

And even if that weren't the case, even if the store in my nearest town didn't stock new copies of the games, I could, as Shin has suggested, quite easily go online where I can find games going back more than a few years, that I can still purchase brand new copies of. I understand your point that sometimes it's hard to get copies of really old games, or platforms no longer supported, but don't try and claim some cock and bull story about your local stores not stocking titles a few weeks after release. Unless you're local store is actual a tramp with a shoebox I've seen stores in London that can barely contain more than the member of staff and one customer that have stocked titles longer than 'a few weeks'.

I'm lazy and I don't really enjoy paying shipping fees for one title. I enjoy perusing some wares at my local shoppe so sue me if I don't feel like going online afterward. I'd rather spend my time after the visit playing the games I did nab. And I like my stores just fine. I just need to preorder more often.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

How often does she even tour down there? Good lord. Fucking Disney Channel.

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