[Movie] Heroes Season Two Discussion

Originally Posted by striped phantom

I wonder if they'll continue doing those alternate reality games online with Hiro's blog, Hana's blog, primatech website, etc. That was such a handful to keep up with. (BTW, did they include any of that on the DVD for those who missed it?)

Heroes Wiki has the archives for ALL the entries in Hiro's blog AND the 360 entries and websites., including the ones that were erased due to time paradoxes or seemingly erased time lines, like the 5 years later arc.

I check there cause I obviously can't join in the fun, what being in Australia now and all. But at least I can see what Hana and Hiro are up to via cyberspace.

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As for the comics, they will be releasing all the issues so far, I think, in hard cover book form soon. Amazon has it for preorders.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Originally Posted by speculative

Wow, what a molasses-slow start to the 2nd season! I mean, sure I understand how they had to "set things up" so-to-speak, but there was absolutely no suspense or drama in this episode. They sucked all the drama out of the two characters getting the "black spot" as it were... I am going to have to wait and see how this season goes; hopefully once they're past this initial season 2 set-up they'll get back to their old story flow which was excellently paced.

At any rate, I still enjoyed the episode but I don't think there is any single episode of season 1 that I didn't enjoy more than this one.

Yeah the episode was a little dry compare to the first season, but keep in mind, when the creators were asked what Season 2 is about, its no longer about Normal people doing extrodinary things, its extrodinary people trying to do normal things.

Its suppose to give a little of what The Incredibles have to go through when they have to try to be normal. Except this is abit darker in tone. That dinner table scene was just like the Dinner scene in Incredibles to me, cept alot of more awkward, which makes it even funnier.

And I also heard there IS gonna be an episode that flashes back to right after the bomb, entitled "Four Monthes ago", from HeroeWiki's Spoilers section.

And that is one cool theory, Crash London.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

Regarding Candice:

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Seeing as she can create illusions as oppose to just camaflouge herself, isnt there's a small chance that her "murder" was an illusion she created for whatever reason or scheme she had? Perhaps to keep Sylar in control by confusing him?

It would suck to kill off a charcter like that so quickly, when she can have more potential development.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Originally Posted by JazzFlight

I wish we would get some resolution on the stupid West subplot. As in, I wish he would die already.

Well considering that

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painting of Noah dead and Claire holding someone, I say there's gonna be more plot developments for West and Claire.

And I like Monica from what I've seen from her so far, especially the potential of her powers.

Though I am concern that there's gonna be too many character and story arcs to juggle, I mean we got several villains and other new side characters introduced, along with Season 1's core cast.

Also:

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Nice to see D.L, despite the fact he's dead. When the actors said that just cause their character is dead doesn't mean they're out of a job, they weren't kidding.

And kudos on TheReverend for calling on the plot twist with Kensei. Nice work!

How ya doing, buddy?

Originally Posted by Sousuke

Now that we've come to a big plot point, I have a feeling next week is going to steer away from the current story, and they might pull a 'Five Months Earlier' episode. Beh.

Are you sure you didn't google this before you posted? Cause that's what they're doing in the next episode.

Except is 4 months, not 5.

Also seems like Kring actually listens to fans. All the critisim mentioned by you guys in the initial episodes is here in this interview. And while the episodes to me weren't garbage and I like Monica, I do agree with every single point.

''Heroes'' creator to fans: I'm super sorry | Heroes | Television News | TV | Entertainment Weekly

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On the chilly Monday morning that Hollywood's writers went on strike, Heroes creator Tim Kring called from the streets outside the Hollywood studio where his NBC series is shot. ''Yes, I'm picketing my own show,'' says the 50-year-old writer-producer. ''So surreal.''

But Kring wasn't calling to discuss labor woes — he was calling to explain why Heroes, suffering a creative decline and a 15 percent ratings drop from the same period last year, went from Human Torch hot to Iceman cold. The good news? A turnaround appears to be under way. After weeks of sluggish storytelling, the Nov. 5 episode recaptured some of last season's fanciful energy. We've also seen the next two episodes — and we like them, too. The cliff-hangers are back. Narrative purpose has been discovered. Old favorites like Peter (Milo Ventimiglia) and Horn-Rimmed Glasses (Jack Coleman) take center stage. Even more encouraging: Kring himself is keenly aware that Heroes is broken. Here's his candid critique:

THE PACE IS TOO SLOW ''We assumed the audience wanted season 1 — a buildup of intrigue about these characters and the discovery of their powers. We taught [them] to expect a certain kind of storytelling. They wanted adrenaline. We made a mistake.''

THE WORLD-SAVING STAKES SHOULD HAVE BEEN ESTABLISHED SOONER The premonition of nuclear apocalypse created a larger context that unified every story line last season. Kring now sees that Volume 2 (the first 11 episodes of season 2) would have been better served if Peter's vision of viral Armageddon had appeared in the season premiere rather than episode 7. ''We took too long to get to the big-picture story,'' he says.

THE ROOKIES DIDN'T GREET THEMSELVES PROPERLY New Heroes Monica (Dana Davis), Maya (Dania Ramirez), and Alejandro (Shalim Ortiz) ''shouldn't have been introduced in separate story lines that felt unattached to the show. The way we introduced Elle (Kristen Bell) — by weaving her in via Peter's story line — is a more logical way to bring new characters into the show.'' (That said, Kring says a few newbies won't make it beyond this second volume, which wraps Dec. 3.)

HIRO WAS IN JAPAN WAY TOO LONG Hiro's (Masi Oka) time-bending adventure in 17th-century Japan — where he mentored samurai hero Takezo Kensei (David Anders) — finally came to an end on Nov. 5. But Kring says it ''should have [lasted] three episodes. We didn't give the audience enough story to justify the time we allotted it.''

YOUNG LOVE STINKS Kring regrets sticking Claire (Hayden Panettiere) with a super-dud boyfriend and forcing Hiro to moon over a cutesy princess. ''I've seen more convincing romances on TV,'' he admits. ''In retrospect, I don't think romance is a natural fit for us.''

Yet while Heroes has finally found some dramatic traction, this second volume is pretty much a wash. The Dec. 3 episode has been retooled to function as a potential season finale — a move inspired by the writers' strike and a desire to give the show ''a clean slate'' when it goes back into production for Volume 3. At that point, Kring wants to craft a rebooted Heroes that can attract new fans and win back those who've tuned out: ''The message is that we've heard the complaints — and we're doing something about it.''

I was speaking idiomatically.

Its kinda hard to tell who saved who till next episode cause both brothers are able to fly, with Peter being a Mimic and all...

And the possible clash with the Haitian is said to also involve Elle, that electrical girl. Least thats what I heard from synopsis online.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

But wait! Regarding Adam,

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Bob also said that he was Linderman's mentor, meaning he's the type of person that would think the ends justify the means, even if it costs alot of lives. Not to mention Adam wants Hiro to suffer. I say he's still a villian. As for the company, its still morally ambigious. So is Noah Bennett.

Seems like so far only some of the characters try to stay pure and true. The ones involve or were involved with the company one way or another, is still morally ambigious.

This episode had its moments, but I missed alot of other story arcs that could have really benefitted a flashback.

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How was Claire and her family coping? What about Matt's divorce and eventual adoption of Molly? What the hell caused the Haitian to leave the company? When and how did Mohinder and Noah set things up? What was Ando doing for the past monthes?

And do we need yet another split personality from Niki, which by the way was kind of a anti-climatic to Niki's problem? I was hoping that maybe Jessica was some sort of possession from her dead sis or something even deeper rooted, and maybe explore that. Making a new personality was just random. There has to be a reason why Jess had the Helix symbol and Niki did not.

And poor D.L. Just when he starts to becomea hero, a no-name dude offs him abruptly like the Sopranos Series finale. He didn't derserve that, man.

Overall aside from some parts of Peter's arc, the episode was...okay at best. I don't care too much for the siblings for some reason. Probably cause they don't connect with the main cast at all except for Sylar who just happens to meet them. I woulnd't mind if he decides to off them.

The last few episodes before the sudden finale better be damn good. But at least from my last post, Tim Kring regonised all the problems we mentioned before, he prob will see these ones too.

And yes, Elle was awesome.

Spoiler:

Sadist electrical byotch for the win.

Quote:

Heroes creator Tim Kring has revealed that the show will cap volume two on December 3 with an "out of the blue cliffhanger".

Confirming that volume two will end on December 3, Kring told USA Today that fans can expect a complete turnaround in the pace of the show over the next month. "[The episodes] are among the absolute best we have ever done."

Cast member Milo Ventimiglia added that "we'd gotten away a little from what the show is" and that "we're getting back on track".

Kring, who is refusing to cross WGA picket lines to work on the show, said that the series' segmented approach permitted an early end to volume two. "In an oddly kismet kind of way, we have a real finale that could act, God forbid, as the end of season two," he explained.

Cult - News - Tim Kring: 'We have a real finale' - Digital Spy

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Uh where in the episode was it implied that Niki was spirit channeling? Seems like old fashioned Split personality to me.

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

Ok wait, I must have missed something from the episode, where was it indicated that Gina was some old friend she had?

Jam it back in, in the dark.