VGL - Split Discussion

What evidence do you have that Tommy is just as bad as Jason? So far I've seen none, and unlike Jason, Tommy CARES about game music and fans, as oppose to making a profit and slamming the others so their concert is seen in a better light. He critisizes Play! because they're the ones full of bullshit, and he gives high praises to Eminence cause they've done a good job. Jason started the competitiveness by spreading lies, what is Tommy suppose to do? Not defend themselves? Let Jason continue to spread lies that affects VGL? Is THAT what you call professionalism?

So this forum has illegal downloads going on, but it REACHES THE FANS, which is why he came here, I don't see anything unprofessional about telling fans the truth. If Tommy said "Jason is a big fay jerk and no one should go to his lame concert" then I can see where you're going with it, but Tommy stated facts and the lies he spread, nothing more. If this went to the press during an interview? That WOULD be unprofessional, but it hasn't. Not in Tommy's case anyway. Jason claims they're a band in an article, now THAT is unprofessional.

He told us the truth so that us FANS can make a decision, is meeting those composers worth 100 dollars and supporting their BS? For some, its their only chance, so they go. For me, I have other ways to meet them, like other concerts and no performance can tempt ME to go to Play! and support their lies. Tommy didn't enforce this on us, this was my choice alone, and the fact he was able to inform us the lies and still holds the professional stride of letting us make our choices, as oppose to "Don't go they're evil" like a protest group, makes him more professional in my eyes than anyone else. Jason did the opposite thing I believe.

Unless you know more details or the full story, or heaven forbid YOU WERE THERE, I fail to see your point. You don't get flamed for expressing your opinion Maul, you get it for NOT having a good reason or evidence to back you up!

I had respect for your Mr.Maul, but you fail to show it in the last posts I've seen you in. Evidence is the key to not flaming, NOT your opinions.

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In regards to your question about Miss Aki & Akira.... Akira is a good friend of mine and we've been trying to figure out which shows would be the best and most convenient for him to perform and attend. He was going to do our Hollywood Bowl show last year but unfortunately it feel on the same weekend as the Tokyo Game Show.

We have also been in touch with Miss Aki and she would very much like to perform with us. She was touring in Japan last we spoke with her but we will continue to speak and I'm sure you'll be seeing her name pop up eventually in our shows.

Tommy? You're my hero.

Jam it back in, in the dark.

Have you even BEEN to the Play! Website?! That Rinoa on the big damn screen is a fake, and has been mentioned by Tommy before, witth NO EXAGGERATIONS. The concert venues they claimed to have been were also fake, I'd would have known if Play! went to Asia for instance, my mother constantly reads about up coming concerts cause she's a classical fan. In what way did he exaggerated? All I see its facts that I myself did my research and confirmed, since the majority of them came from their damn website.

Heh, looks like they just took everything down that was fake. But that Rinoa image is forever embedded in my mind... That was from Dear Friends, and last I heard from concet goers, Play! doesn't have the rights to use Square Images. I DID my research, time to do yours.

And oh great, way to piss off Tommy, Mr. Maul. How are people suppose to support your website Square Music if this is the way you view them with little evidence? You're the one who's exaggrating, not Tommy.

So Tommy didn't know how forums work, that you should always stick to the same topic to avoid a traffic of duplicate threads, big deal. You looked into it too much and now it caused this.

I didn't know the whol situation, but I'm starting to get vibes as to why you and Chris split the site.... It feels prentiuous to me that all you did so far is created a great website, and that makes you the judge as to what is professional and what is not.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

God its like just because you guys are creating major concerts that makes profit it has to mean you guys are evil coporate heads who are just in it for the money. The only one who's like that is Jason. The others have shown nothing but passion.

I went to the LA VGL, I saw Tommy going on stage himself as an MC, I can FEEL the goddamn passion and energy in him, I can feel his love for music when he performed the goddamn Halo 3 theme on stage.

No actor, and Tommy is not even an actor, can fake such Passion or enthusiasm.

You don't see it Maul, why? CAUSE YOU NEVER BEEN TO ANY OF THEIR CONCERTS!

And yet you think you know everything about them.

I hope you can get over your misanthropic attitude and be able to see who these people really are, not producers looking for a way for a quick buck, but musicians and creative people showing the word that video game music is not lame or stupid or kiddies stuff. Its an amazing world filled with different stories to tell through music.

Tommy has every right to express his displeasure to what Jason is doing. And who cares if you don't trust him? That's not even a good reason to begin with anyway.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Mr. Mauls in his PMs stated that he read interviews from Yura, Jason and Tommy and was able to find enough ammunition to justify his mistrust.

Well go ahead Mr. Maul, post the interviews and and explain yourself in detail, and no more "subtleties" in your arguments, I want them in plain text and statements. You started this mess, by gods you are going to finish it.

If Play! has been spreading lies that affect Eminence and VGL, they have a right to defend themselves. Nothing was exagerrated and this is one siutation that is clearly black and white, no grey areas. Either the truth or plain lies.

Now, explain youself, have links and quotes from these interviews to justify yourself.

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How can all parties be happy when ONE of them is spreading lies that affects the other two?!

Give me a good method to deal with this situation or just stop this.

And please read my last post, you caused this thread to derail into this, you need to end this by explaining yourself completly. Right now, you sound like a flaming noob with no evidence to back you up.

POST the goddamn interviews or leave the thread, cause you offer nothing substantial with back up.

I was speaking idiomatically.

There WAS an illegal use of images and clips, the image of Rinoa from Dear Friends which belongs to Square and not Play!

http://www.play-symphony.com/presskit.php



WHAT ARE THOSE IMAGES DOING THERE?! Play! has not gotten the rights from Square, NO ONE does, because Square wants to have their own concerts! Dear Friends is part of Square, not Play!, and Rinoa belongs to Square, not Play!. Their presskit should have Play! exclusive images only, putting those up gives a false impression that Play! has rights to use Square images and videos! Guess what this is called? FALSE ADVERTISING! And its in the PRESSKIT of all things!

That Rinoa image used to be on the front homepage, gee, I wonder why they removed it?!

Face it Maul, you have no real back up if that is all you can pull out of your head, I can pull alot of crap that Play! has done out of my head, and you have none.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?

Play! has mediocre arrangments, and most of them are not even original. Alot of them are taken from existing material and are practically ccarbon copies of them. THe Chocbo arrangement is brass de chocobo from FFX. The Kingdom hearts medly was butchered with very little Yoko material and more Utada, and yet Yoko was invited as a guest. The Metal gear solid theme was, ick, was nothing compared to VGL.

If you minus the administration and just focus on the performance, Play! just simply doesn't want to do their best or pour more work into it.

Its too bad you can't see that, how can you? You only have been to Play! and not VGL, you can't tell the contrasting difference.

I support the concerts I want to support, I can either support one, or 2, or all of them cause its my friggin right and I, unlike you, have justifiying reasons. I don't want play! to crash and burn, I want them to BETTER themselves, but with Jason there is not going to happen. I'm against Jason, not the idea of Play!. Unlike you, I have substantial and justiying reasons to mistrust Jason, where as you don't.

You can't even post the interviews to show us what attitudes these guys you claim to have. We can't trust your opinions, so give us the hard facts by posting the INTERVIEWS!

FELIPE NO

I told you before, I heard the leaked recordings someone posted here, you obviously didn't read my posts and chose selectivly.

Sounds familiar doesn't it?

And how did YOU know VGL was a carbon copy? You have never been to one. Besides, I'm fine with carbon copies as long as they aknowledged it or cut them up right.

Their Chocobo arrangment was claim to be original by Roth, it wasn't, its from FFX. Lying.

Their cut and paste of Chrono and KH was horrible.

Point being, I don't want to support a concert that does a bad job and refuses to improve themselves.

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Open your mind to either all of them or close your mind to each of them. None is better than the other; they're just different.

There is such a thing as a concert thats better in performance, arrangement and quality. Play! failes at all of them, and its within my right to not go to their concert. I opened my mind to them and they sullied it. Now this is NOT a black and white issue of "you either care about all of them or ignore everything".

And we have proof about the who Rinoa image, no concert in America or Australia has any rights to use their images. The concerts contain nothing from Square, and only Disney images from Disney movies was used for Play!. Get your facts straight. Using that Rinoa concert image as a logo is false advertising and a breach of copyright, because Square won't allow their images in any other concert other than their own!

HOW HARD is it to understand that?!

What, you don't want my bikini-clad body?

A concert that does horribly in adminstration and the actual production deserves no credit. If fans want to go , its their choice, and no one aside from me perhaps, has sway them to do so. Meaning Tommy and Seraph had done nothing to deserve your contempt.

Its an opinion perhaps, but all I know is, I got a much better performance and arrangement out of VGL, and I get to meet the composers for free.

Pray tell, which one is worth your hard earned money?

And I posted again and again about the Rinoa image thing, please read it. I don't support Play!'s administration cause they're liars, I support VGL and Eminence cause they listen from fans and have done NOTHING WRONG. They defended themselves when they had to and that is all. Its too bad you look into things so much you think everyone's a money grubber.

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You have to trust me, cause guess who actually gone to VGL?

ME! Disney footage was used, footage from actual movies and shorts instead of the ingame footage. If Play! had used things straight from the games, then its a breach of copyright, cause VGL got rights from Disney, but not Square, and no way will Square let KH go and but not FF for concerts that they don't own.

THAT IS A FACT!

And its a fact that people want to meet composers for free instead of paying 100 bucks.

Go contact Square yourself, because we got all the proof we needed, you don't, that is YOUR PROBLEM!

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They've acted unprofessionally, attempted to insult me, and have contributed unfavourably to VGM unity. I have much reason, both personal and otherwise, to have unpleasant thoughts towards them. But let's not go further down this road...

You bought those insults on your own, its your fault not theirs.

They have contributed alot to VGM unity, Emienence and and VGL respect their composers and brought them together. Play! didn't, and charged fans to see them.

Get over yourselve and move on.

There's nowhere I can't reach.

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Thank you for confirming my point, Harry. You unintentionally but unequivocally lied.

Be specific and have back up, or go away. There is no such thing as unintentionally lies, thats called "ignorance", not lying. In order to lie, one must be aware of the truth. If you state things that turn out to be untrue, but you didn't intend to, it means you didn't know, and that is call ignorance.

Harry, please PM him the facts so he can knock it off.

Great videos by the way Tommy! Gotta bring my DS with me next time!

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

So some misinformation and suddenly they are all liars?

Seraph has contacts from Square JAPAN. Play!'s Jason is associated with Square USA. Different countries, different copyright issues to deal with.

And Harry may not be in the position to know every fact. Yura is sure of it because this is what he deals with, whereas Harry might not be 100%.

That doesn't make them liars. Misinformed and misunderstandings happens.

Calling VGL a band, now THAT is a lie.

Maul, leave everyone alone and go stew somewhere else. Cause everyone is sick of it. I'm surprised no one here threatens to ban you from the concerts from that attitude of yours. This keeps up all you have left is Play!. and I pity anyone who is only allowed to go to Play!.

Quit goading them into doing something really unprofessional, the only reason I personally would want them to show the proof is so you can leave everyone alone, cause you have done nothing postive for this thread.

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Well said, good sir, well said.

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Don't forget advertising that they are represented by IMG Artists on their website when they aren't (that one is still up there although I'm sure it will be taken down and changed very soon... right Maul?)

I screencapped it so we can have proof.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...IMGmarch14.jpg

I was speaking idiomatically.

Your PM is full lof slander with no back up proof. Its not Tommy's fault Jason screws up Play! and fills the website with lies and fills the media with slander. Why do you keep saying things that are ridicudlously false with no back up proof at all?

Mr. Maul, you kept giving me vibes of your jealousy with these professionals for a long LONG time, I'm just glad I wan't the one who had to point it out, for I lack the courage.

Stop stirring internet drama because of your personal, unfounded, bias and racists opinions with no back up proof, and go do something else thats more constructive or positive. Its too bad you're missing out a great concert that is so worth the money and trip. Your post lost its contructiveness the moment your hypocripsy is revealed, Mr. "I said I dun wanna go to your concert but I'll publicly say I will to save what little face I have left."

Liar.

We all have our bias against Americans due to politics and other things, but that gives you no right to associate the "American cliche" to Tommy's actual hard work with NO PROOF!

Tommy insulted you cause you brought it on yourself, you provoked it. If you're so displeased with all handlings of the game concerts then go and try to make one yourself and prove them wrong. Or at least post how things should be handled. Or try to join them and "improve" them. SOMETHING other than sitting on your ass and slandering people whose impressions you got from "interviews" that you refuse to link.

GIVE US PROOF that what you're saying is true, that Tommy is spinning things to brainwash me to support them blindly. (Which I am not ny the way. I just wanna go to a concert that lets me see the composers for free.) SHOW us something, cause like I said in the PMs. TALK IS CHEAP.

And if Tommy and Emienence can't show their proof, tough luck, they're professionals and have non disclosure agreements. You don't. You're either full of it or just too lazy to dig up those interviews that gave you the impressions and started this whole mess. Give us proof that everyone has been lying, that everyone contributed to the mess, and no , defending themselves from Play!'s lies does NOT count!

And no one cares that you don't like Tommy's music. It has nothing to do with Tommy's work as a producer.

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The fact that industry professionals like Tommy can overlook some minor...legally dubious file transferring going on around here and not only see true fans, but to personally interact with them is truly endearing. Not long ago the RIAA sent a list of IP addresses suspected of file sharing to my university demanding that their identities be turned over. It's refreshing to see people in the industry who aren't driven into a blind rage over the issue.

Quoted for truth.

What kind of toxic man-thing is happening now?