Chrono Resurrection Petition

Square Enix is not gonna listen, considering they don't have much respect for fans, cause if they do, they would have made Chrono Break right now and try to get the Xenogears crew back together. The fact that they mailed them a cease and desist letter is not cause they care about fans paying tribute that can cause copyright infringement, they just want total control of franchises they don't deserve to keep copyright of, they could have easily hired them at low costs and let them keep making the game, but they didn't.SE has alot of frachises that they chose to ignore cause of FF. Please, name me a game that is NOT FF that was a top selling game internationally recently.(KH2 doesn't count, its got FF characters and its part Disney, I'm talking about ORIGINALfranchises).

Frankly I hate Square's attitude as a company, no other game company has ever shown such disregard to it's own franchises and fans. All they care about now is profit and milking off FF. Look at Capcom, they care about fans across the world, even Asian fans ( I love the fact that the Asian HK version of RE4 was the USA version, but ported to a JP PS2 system.) and not just fans in the US. Hideo Kojima has a online blog with videos, which includes english versions. Now compare all this with Square.

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Originally Posted by a lurker

You do not understand copyright. If they created it, they deserve the copyright, end of story. I do like, though, how you want a low-budget remake done by total ametures to be official canon while in the same breath complain about milking franchises for money. I mean, wow.

Or course I understand copyright, that doens't mean that Square really truly deserves those franchises when they are just sitting there collecting dust, its inevitable that they get to keep their creations, however the fact that they just let them sit there instead of doing something with it shows they just wanna focus on FF, and I mean, do you truly believe a company that is holding so much creations and franchises that people loved deserves to keep them, when they are'nt gonna do anything with it? Its all coporate control, and since when do coporation execs know how to create?

Chrono has barely even been milked, and they even have the nerve to deny fans the right to pay tribute to it. I mean you dont see Square send cease and desist to a Chrono Flash fan game,but when some people make it look full 3D they send in the letter. Are they afraid of a fan tribute is gonna be better then their game? Please, it wasn't even gonna be a full game, Square probably saw some screens, flipped and immeditly send that letter without getting facts straight. And what were they doing to the Chrono franchise? Nothing, after Cross, nothing has happend, and the fact Break's tradmark is dropped shows that they will probably do nothing on it.

A company that gives no respect to its fans and franchises doens't deserve those copyrights, unfortunatly, coporations don't run on what people want or what's right, but profit and control. I am not ignorant as to believe just cause I have my moral objections it means Square is gonna suddenly lose their copyrights.

I just hope those interviews are true and that we will get either a handheld port of Trigger or better, a brand new game.

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I prefer people to read the full post before making a respond. And its within my right to express my opinion. Just cause I like FF's art, design and graphics doesn't mean I like all the games themselves. For one thing, FF12 is off my list and FF8 was IMO terrible.

And whether or not Trigger was great is all subjective, maybe Saga is better, maybe Trigger.

This thing is sticky, and I don't like it. I don't appreciate it.

Well Capcom has its obscure titles and they earned alot of profit from it, like the ones from CLover Studios. Square can do the same but instead chose to just focus on FF. Out of all the big names, SE is the only company to take the easy way out.

But hey, maybe I'm the only one who thinks that way.

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I know in the end its all about profit, but it wouldn't kill them to put some originality, creativity and most of all variety in their works instead of milking of one label, and making crap games in the process(Dirge of Cerberus) I just hope the next gen games will change my mind.

I was speaking idiomatically.

Its alright, I understand your points, no harm done. And I did post before that a petition wouldn't work for the reasons I overstated in the previous posts. Coporal minds. It just makes me agnry that I have to rant a little, despite the fact nothing will change.

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a lurker, you have your opinions and I have mine, I think its dumb of Square to order a cease and desist over a fan game, you believe that being amatuers gives no excuse to "lousy graphics". I mean god, did you expect a fan game to suddenly look like FF13?! These guys were paying a triubute and had no intention to make profit out of it, Square told them to stop cause it happens to look better than some dumb sprite fan game. Its disrespectful to fans, but hey, coporates don't care about the public, they care about money and control.

I understand copyright, my objections were simply moral, the company can use some actual creative work and variety, if you wanna milk stuff, at least milk most of your franchises so at least we get variety. Letting it sit there accompishes nothing, why not sell it off, then maybe the Chrono team will get together and try to buy it. But no, why let go of a potential franchise that they can milk off by making mediocre squels?

I know in real life, Square is entitled to do so, I just think it was dumb to do that to a FAN GAME. Why not have cease and desist orders to every fan game and fan art there is out there? They own the designs of the characters, so people shouldn't make art out of it should they? Send a letter to newgrounds perhaps?

Sheesh, way to spiral my opinions out of control and insult my intelligence. I rather see a bunch of guys paying tribute (NOTE TRIBUTE, not ROB) and make a nice little fan game or movie out of Chrono Trigger, as quaint is it may be compare to a full blown company's work, then see a company that lets its copyright sit there and rust. Perhaps I jumped the gun with saying hiring them to make a Chrono remake, but I wouldn't have suggested that if Square was doing something with the franchise, be it a port, remake, or a sequel.

Of course, we know that most of Chrono's staff has left, hence why there's no new game, I wonder who's fault that is though, the talent, or the corp? I say its the latter.

I enjoyed certain works from SE, and their graphics are always top notch, but as a company, they sure dunno how to handle their work, franchises or staff right. Why do you think Xeno and Chrono's team, along with Hironobu Sakaguchi himself, left SE? If they are such a awesome company that respects their works and staff, why did they left?

Oh and regarding profile, it was an Enix game, and it did well in Japan and Asia, hence a prequel. VP2 was a top selling game, along with the PSP port of VP1. So yes, its all about profit, but at least this game has quality.

I'm sorry if people don't agree with me, but at least you can stop insulting me. That's all I ask, you all have valid points and I understood them fully, and I am not ignorant as to not know how copyright works,but just cause its protected by law doesn't mean they truly deserved it. By rights the creator of CT should own the rights, in fact by rights, all creators should own copyright to their creations, but that's not how the real world of coporal control works. Hence my objection that Square doesn't deserve alot of their copyrights they're holding on like dolls they stop playing with. You may not agree, I just hope you at least see my point here.

Square didn't create Chrono, the development team did, not the corporal execs who now own the copyright.

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Why am I against FF7's milking? Cause its way over the limit! You got the original, a movie, a shooting game, a PSP game, and a cell phone game, all this is devoted to a single game franchise. Meanwhile, other works had been sitting in the dust, why did the Chrono Break trademark ended before all this was announced? What's the point of keeping Xenogear's lisence if you do nothing with it? I'm pretty sure the Xeno crew who left would love to work on the rest of the series.

And I know Square had some titles out, like Front Mission, there's the DS mana game, some Itdaki street stuff,(VP2 is coming as well, but that's a enix game) but aside from the mana game, none of these reached other countries. While its great to see them doing something with Mana, I also have to wonder why there's a lack of news with the PS2 mana game and more news concerning the FF games. I mean we learn about FF13 from E3, but nothing on Mana the game they supposdly are working on?

And are you saying that this fan game was a high profile game? This game simply got spread around fans cause they found it impressive for a fan game, it's not exactly a high profile game, then SE took notice and told them to stop, cause it looks better than the average sprite fan game. I mean, why else would they tell them to stop? If they really want to stop all fan games, they would also go to places like newgrounds or something. I doubt the creators will send a cease and desist over a fan game made by a bunch of guys who went through the trouble doing it for free, just to show how they were fans of the game. Just because you think it looks ugly (its a fan game made by amatuers, I mean god,were you good at something when you just started?) doesn't mean other thinks so, it got reported in various games magazines and spread around the net for a reason. The creators are not controlling coporal minds, I doubt they will suddenly get insulted by people making a fan game out of it.

Why wouldn't it be okay for the game to look less impressive compare to real big company games out there when its made by fans? These guys are still learning,and they thought trying to render Trigger in 3D is good practice, you may not think so cause it looks nothing like the pro games out there, but I think its quite impressive for a bunch of guys who were new at this. And even some smaller game companies has less impressive graphics, along with the crap kid games based on cartoons. This game looks far better than those.

As a company, Square use to show a variety of franchises, but ever since Advent Children, they have been focusing on milking this one franchise, since it made sales cause of the label FF7, they are gonna do it again with FF13. It's only a matter of time before they stop work at all the other franchises just to cater to FF. I mean Nomura even said he can't work on the next KH title till FFVS13 is done.

This just shows a decline in variety of orignal work, I mean how would you feel if Konami only made MGS games, or Capcom just made RE games? All Square cares about is profit, while other companies are concern with original titles, variety in the products they make and profit. Capcom didn't rely just on old titles, they also made new ones that started their own franchise ( Veiwtiful Joe). All Square is doing now is making sure they keep using the FF label. As a company, Square has declined to a lower level by being one track minds about FF, and the fans who gobble up whatever crap they made (DoC) fuel this. The worst part is FF7 wasn't even the best RPG there was, it was just more famous cause of its revolutionary graphics, which cause SE to focus on the look of the games. (And we all know graphics isn't everything). So they need cashcows to get more money, if you're gonna do that, at least make it GOOD (DoC was crap, AC was cool but had no substance.) When Capcom and MGS milk their cashcows, they still made solid games. Square didn't, only concerend about profit and milking the label of FF, and not the quality of FF. Now thanks to FF7 they made more money, what do they do? Make a FF13 compliation. What happened to Chrono Break? Where are the news for PS2 Mana game at E3?

Bottom line, Square has over milked a franchises that doesn't nessacry deserve it,(fans wanted it yes, but can you say overkill?) they are putting aside alot of other games (KH3) for the next gen FF, they overeact with their controlling coporate minds over a fan game that will not hurt them as a company,(Do you honestly think that Trigger's reputation will drop cause of this? In fact, people will be impressed they went this far to show how much they like it, most people just draw fanart) and they lack variety in their own franchises,(Square's franchises, not Enix, just cause they merged doesn't mean they interfere with each other's works) and holding to them like dolls they no longer want to play with, but keep them anyway cause they want control. Meanwhile, the creators themselve left this company, why leave? After all they seem to be doing so well back then, or maybe Square isn't as nice as one thinks. I wouldn't be surprised if their controlling also extends to its staff. And when they left, the copyright remains with Square, even if they want to keep creating it (Xeno's staff would have made more xeno games, but Square pushed them at the end of production, ruined disk 2, they left, and they weren't allow to take Xenogears with them, Square just hold on to it like Toys they wont play with anymore, cause they can say we made this, its ours, when it really isn't)

I doubt their leaving was just simply to move on, maybe Square was never a great company to work with, I mean god, no one wanted to work with Disney when Eisner was in charge, I'm getting the same vibe here from Square. Square used to bne about creations, now its all about coporal control.

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Originally Posted by a lurker

Why do you want them do the same with Chrono Trigger, then?

Making a new game is not over milking. Jesus. Stop putting words in my mouth. Is RE4 overmilking the RE franchise? Of course not, its a game sequel and it was a solid game.

Making a movie, a PSP game, a cell phone game, a Shooting game on a set of pre existing characters, world and setting, IS overmilking, especially coming from a series where the "sequels" are not straight sequels, but new games. All the above is called OVERKILL. Not to mention stuff like DoC was mediocre, and AC looked cool but had no depth and real plot, it was fanservice. If you're gonna milk something, at least put effort into its quality, not just the looks.

FFX had a sequel, but it was just one, so it wasn't over milking. FF7 has 5, counting the new DoC cell phone game. I also will hate it if they did the samething to Chrono as they did with FF7.

I want them to create a new installement to Chrono, a solid game, NOT a mediocre game with the only purpose is profit and fanservice to gain that profit.

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There's doujinshi for every game out there, if the companies haven't done anything about it, it means they don't care. Why should they care about a fan game then? And its not like doujinshi has done any actual harm to the game's reputation, you might as well ban all game and anime hentai while you're at it, and we all know that will never happen. And as I last recall, doujinshis are non profit and are pefectly legal and fans have a right to express their fandon, not everyone has to like it though. I mean if it was illegal, then it certainly would have stopped right now, right?

The game may have gotten alot of exposure, but its still a fan game made by amatuers, it just so happens to get more well known than most fan games. Why are you asking so much from a bunch of fans? My comment about them working for Square was just an off the wall comment. They are fans, no one should expect them to make graphics like FF. You might as well expect all those famours internet videos to be high profile quality work, after all, they also got alot of exposure haven't they?

I understand business, I just don't agree with it, after all its possible to make solid games off franchises and also make origina titles at the same time, and the fan game cease and desist is overeacting when, like you pointed out yourself, there are other fanworks out there that use characters and put them in other more adult situations, not that they do real lasting damage. Its all coporal control that I disagree on, even though what they do is pefectly legal and within their right. They also have the right to be overeacting, which I also disagree on. I still don't see why you defend a company that likes to show how they no longer care about their work, and just wanna churn out cheap toys to get the kiddies buying it,and then overeact when someone wants to express their fandom in a non profit work. Square should be a company that makes solid games like they used to, not over milking franchises to make mediocre crap just to get mindless fanboys to buy their games, always do your best at whatever you're making, otherwise you're just another coporate that makes cheap products to get money. That's how business works, but I don't think its right.

Is it safer to go with a establish franchise? Yes. Is it within their right to overmilk it? Yes. Are they allow it to be mediocre? Yes. All these things are perfectly legal, but all it does is ruin their reputation as a company that makes solid original titles, now they are selling their label, not their work or quality, that's business, but I don't think its right.

Just because what they do is pefectly legal and withing their right doesn't mean I have to agree with it. This is all just my opinion. This whole thing is just a creativity VS buisness argument, and I'm sure it happens all the time. Now I rather want to move on from this and that we agree to disagee.

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