iPod or Zen?

I think we should stick to the topic, for one thing, there are plenty of people out there who are capable of hearing different sound qualities in different portable players, therefore these people have a right to critisize players for not up to their personal standards. Different earphones also contribute to the sound quality, and Ipod's earphones are not the best out there. And some people listen their music unconpressed or barely, like me I like to find mp3s in 320 biterate if possible, or at least higer than 128.

And knowing these forums, I bet alot of people here play around with audio mixing or music remixes and recordings, and a good ear is needed to tell the different between audio quality in either bit rate or hardware is a CRUCIAL thing in music or audio mixing. And just cause your friend is a music buff, doesn't mean hes able to tell the difference between different SOUND qualities, he simply just likes listening to music. Some of us here, actually can tell the difference, not everyone can however. And PC speakers are not the best speakers in the world either. A song at 80 kbps tends to be alot more distorted and lower quality in sound compare to higher bit rate. Not as bad as telephone quality, but its getting there.

And theres no need to insult his musical taste, when theres no mention of it in this topic and hardly contributes to your argument.

In the end, Ipod isn't for everyone, and people have a right to express their negative opinions on it. Like me, my Ipod's battery life decreased horribly to the point that is now a paperweight in my home in Hong Kong. It also doesn't turn off well and at times turns on despite the hold button is on. I didn't even bother using it as a external hard disk, it dies too quickly.

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In the end, its a personal decison to which brand you wanna get. Some people love Ipod for these reasons, some people choose another over other reasons. Most people have posted the good parts and bad parts of alot of brands, its up the person to make the final decision,does he want a Ipod cause most have it and it can be used with Itunes? Or does he want a player that costs less and has better sound quality?

Well I probably won'y buy anymore Ipods since my last one is now a white brick.

Its up to the individual, what we should do its display our opinions and facts of the hardware and respect each other's opinions as well.

And if you want to place songs in your Ipod, you need Itunes. Ipod doens't work without Itunes.

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Originally Posted by MagicalVacation

Ok... I gave up on reading the stupid arguments on which is better three pages ago. I'll just add my two cents. :-D

Apple provides great products. The iPod is an example of those. No it does NOT look like a 'stupid brick' and YES it does have a great navigation system and good audio quality.

It just seems to me there are some serious ZEN fanboys out here who feel a desperate need to bash Apple products because of their own frustrations towards their popularity.

The Zen Vision: M is an incredible player, better than the iPod Video (Cnet did a whole coverstory on that, and they proved their point)

But that doesn't mean you have to completely dismiss the iPod as a bad MP3 player. Don't be an ass.

I doubt people are saying that the Ipod is bad, just that there are better ones out there.

Not to mention my Ipod's battery life has died so badly that it IS now a brick. And it keeps freezing and turning on despite the hold button on. The Ipod IS known for giving people crap like that. Other players hardly do so.

It has good audio quality, doesn't mean that other mp3 players out there are worse than the Ipod, there are players that have BETTER sound quality than the Ipod. And from the way that most people have gave their detailed reasons why they like Zen better, I doubt they are a bunch of mindelss fanboys who just wanna bash the Apple just cause its popular. Whether you like it or not, Apple products have their own bad points, as well as other brands, though it seems that Apple has a lot of bad points on their Ipods moreso than other brands. People here HAVE done their research before pointing out the bad in the Ipod, and unless you did the same thing, than you really have no right to claim that they are fanboys who bashed Apple just cause its popular, they have other reasons to back it up.

They just simply concluded that the only reason people choose to buy the more expensive Apple player over other brands that are cheaper and have better audio quality is because of the heavy advertising, and causing it to be popular and hip. I think we all know that alot of things in the world are overated, and that the Ipod may be one of them. They have shown their research and prove that they have valid reasons to believe this.

Maybe someone should make a comparisoon list, list out all good points and bad points about these brands and see how they compare. After all, all products have their bad points, let see how it all adds up in the end.

Personally, people should actually research the stuff they buy before they buy it, just cause Apple is more well known doesn't make it nessacy better. I paid about $400 ish dollars for my Ipod in Hong Kong, and now its just a paperweight cause of crappy battery life and function.

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Originally Posted by RABicle

Did you miss all of Storm Petrel's posts or something?

I'm sure if another player comes along with even better audio quality and longer battery life and cheaper, he would switch from Zen to that.

He has valid reasons for using Zen despite his views on Ipod's popularity, and one has to wonder why most people will choose an Ipod, which is more expensive, when there's a much cheaper player with better sound quality and most important, longer battery life? His reasons for getting Zen makes sense, and his views on Ipod's popularity is his own opinion. ( and they are true to some extent, whether people wanna admit it or not) That doesn't make him into a fanboy that just bashes Apple with no valid reason. If both players equal in price and sound quality, and he bashes Apple, then he's probably just bashing it cause its popular. But this is not the case. He's only a crazed fanboy if he bashes it for no valid reason. He has done his research, so his views are not unreasonable and he has backup to what he says.

Non-fanboys give informed researched opinions, fanboys do not.

Dunno about the rest of you, but I rather buy a cheaper player that doesn't freeze on me, has longer battery life and audio quality. But hey, maybe that's just me.

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Wow 24 hours? Now I see a major reason why Zen is better.

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